sparko Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Just looking to see what fanciers think would be a good proven strain of pigeon to race say 100km up to 400km having to tackle some duanting mountains on there way,at present i have 8 birds as some of you know and these may or may not be up to the job as breeders, time will tell,they are mainly van der rhees with a couple of them with luc van mechelen in them but im asking this as i may try to aquire some decent stock birds to put in with mine if they are known to do the job im asking,thanks Nick
ally mac Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Im interested in replies to this question. Ive a few in the loft now that have managed but its taking a while.
Bobby4 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Im interested in replies to this question. Ive a few in the loft now that have managed but its taking a while.Van cliffs
ovy1255 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 some of the scotish lads fly their birds over some testing terain and maybe you should be asking some of these guys as well as the fanciers flying birds into shetlandCOME ON LADS WHATS YOU BOLDEST BIRDS BRED DOWN FROM.
paddymac Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Nick you'll not know until you try the birds and see what you have left at the end of the season. The only advice I can give you is look for a fancier that is flying consistantly into your local area that may help you out with a few laterbred Ybs, if that doesn't work as ovy says take a look at the Scottish fanciers that are consistant in the National races and see if you can purchase a few from them.
sparko Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Posted February 3, 2015 Nick you'll not know until you try the birds and see what you have left at the end of the season. The only advice I can give you is look for a fancier that is flying consistantly into your local area that may help you out with a few laterbred Ybs, if that doesn't work as ovy says take a look at the Scottish fanciers that are consistant in the National races and see if you can purchase a few from them. Thanks mateive got two pair paired up and treading now so hopefully i will get something happening soon im not rushing them just letting them do what they want but i will train them up and compete if i get a few in time for young birds which starts in august.just curious as to what is already proven in these sorts of conditions .
walterboswell59 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) got to say i found the old jan aardens to be gutsay hardy pigeons have not tried the new ones that are on the market now so cant comment on them but would think it would have to be a distance strain for a hard terrain like mountains jmo m8but as pat says you will have to try them to find out Edited February 3, 2015 by walterboswell59
kingziemckay Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 hartogs have proven there worth,in the pigeon game
sparko Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Posted February 3, 2015 got to say i found the old jan aardens to be gutsay hardy pigeons have not tried the new ones that are on the market now so cant comment on them but would think it would have to be a distance strain for a hard terrain like mountains jmo m8but as pat says you will have to try them to find outThanks walter much appreciated.
VMS Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 I would look at the Van Duncan pigeons doing very well into North West Scotland.
William Reid Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 got to say i found the old jan aardens to be gutsay hardy pigeons have not tried the new ones that are on the market now so cant comment on them but would think it would have to be a distance strain for a hard terrain like mountains jmo m8but as pat says you will have to try them to find outSorry old yin but I've got to disagree. I can remember a time when you said you wanted pigeons that will win without hard work .. My point being no matter what family you have if you don't work them hard you will get .*expletive removed* all return .Been there got the t-shirt .
walterboswell59 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Sorry old yin but I've got to disagree. I can remember a time when you said you wanted pigeons that will win without hard work .. My point being no matter what family you have if you don't work them hard you will get .*expletive removed* all return .Been there got the t-shirt . agree billy but hard work and training 3 times a day is another ball game to auld and gettin to lazy for that 3 times a week is enough for me and two hours round the loft if could train them to go to elvanfoot and fly back on there own id be over the moon can hardly catch the f k rs noo to slow and can hardly bendown yer turn will come m8 lol
Delboy Posted February 3, 2015 Report Posted February 3, 2015 Just looking to see what fanciers think would be a good proven strain of pigeon to race say 100km up to 400km having to tackle some duanting mountains on there way,at present i have 8 birds as some of you know and these may or may not be up to the job as breeders, time will tell,they are mainly van der rhees with a couple of them with luc van mechelen in them but im asking this as i may try to aquire some decent stock birds to put in with mine if they are known to do the job im asking,thanks Nick 100km-400km you need good sprint/middle distance pigeons plus a good logical training system to educate your birds to tackle the mountains without fear.
William Reid Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 What ever family of pigeons you decide on as long as they are healthy,and well trained and the feeding is correct. You will get your turn .
William Reid Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 What ever family of pigeons you decide on as long as they are healthy,and well trained and the feeding is correct. You will get your turn .Should have added that I've been flying like a cow the last number of years my fault not the pigeons
kirky Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 the good old kirkpatricks always did well over the mountains in Scotland for me winning all the way upto lerwick. wish I still had some.
greenlands Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Vandies always flew a good race at the distance and managed the Lake district fells at the same time.
ally mac Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 the main thing I think I have found is youngbirds struggled to get through the mountains. had terrible losses pushing the further down the road. seemed to do better as yearlings. also don't just train down the line of flight. working them out north, south and east worked better. if you get some that do it for you stock them and keep trying. it is hard. Al
sparko Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Posted February 4, 2015 Thanks guys for the replies very much appreciated im going to give the young a go at it and see how I stand after that,ATB Nick
tommy2 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Hi Sparko,What would be more intresting would be yourself telling us how you train and what type of race programme you boys fly?,looking at Iceland it seemsabout 300 miles long/200miles high,mountainous inland,perhaps your races traverse around/along the coastline..would be intresting on how you look after them,with very cold winters?and aaround the clock daylight in seasdon....could you give us lads insight into your racing and the problems you need to overcome...many thanks...by the way..i think..dont worry about type of racers....just see what surveve and breed around these...
Wiley Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Good ones forget the strain's Just like JAM, you need good ones and you need to be a strong selecter
just ask me Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Just like JAM, you need good ones and you need to be a strong selecter dont forget the luck we all need a but of luck
sparko Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Posted February 4, 2015 Hi Sparko,What would be more intresting would be yourself telling us how you train and what type of race programme you boys fly?,looking at Iceland it seemsabout 300 miles long/200miles high,mountainous inland,perhaps your races traverse around/along the coastline..would be intresting on how you look after them,with very cold winters?and aaround the clock daylight in seasdon....could you give us lads insight into your racing and the problems you need to overcome...many thanks...by the way..i think..dont worry about type of racers....just see what surveve and breed around these...Well i cant tell you too much im afraid as this is going to be my first year,the races are from around 80mile ish up to 265miles(400km)this is our young bird lines on google earth. my loft is on some ground that was given to a few of us to put the lofts up but the only downside is we have no electricity so i have 12v power and led lights also i will be going solar powered too this year to trickle charge the battery.The birds from the other fanciers seem to cope very well and mine are always in the aviary even now when its been down to minus 9 just recently so i dont think that bothers them too much.One problem i did find this winter though was when its very windy and snowing it blows sideways hits the lofts and goes in the vents along the underside of the roof filling the lofts with snow and some other fanciers have been using spades to dig the snow out lol,but i was lucky as i have a false ceiling in mine and it settled on that but even so i had to get it out. Anyway i started tinkering with the vent putting a few 2 inch spacers along the vent and a piece of wood screwed to them the length of the loft and another the same way but vertical level with the top of the roof so the wind rushing over it draws air out the loft it may be confusing to read but it doesnt matter how hard to wind comes at it now the air inside still goes out that vent and nothing comes in. The other fanciers have had theres there way for a few years but i didnt like the fact my loft could get wet and the bonus was the air at ceiling is always going out which is what i believe is how we want it,i also have louvers lower down on the front bringing fresh air in.im not sure if the daylight will affect the birds as im new to this, i am also planning on training 3 times per week weather depending and see how i go from there and the rest i guess im going to have to learn as i go,as you can see in the pic that is one big glazier they are going to have to find there way around,do i train on line of flight for each race as they arnt on the same line or just stick to a happy medium ,do i pick a side of that glazier to train from to try and get the coming that way ? i just dont know the answer to this and maybe i could get some ideas from you kind people so i can get a plan in place.ALB Nick p.s B.O.P is the Gyr Falcon in Iceland
geordie1234 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Posted February 4, 2015 Forget strains get yersel some west sect ddoos the best in the land lol On and serious note... whatever you decide just be a very tough selector... The harder I select the better my results became.
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