Good Bacteria

William Reid · September 16, 2014

Would be interesting to know how pigeon fanciers test or notice the change . :emoticon-0126-nerd: .

Delboy · September 16, 2014

What do you mean Billy?

peter2010 · September 16, 2014

Would be interesting to know how pigeon fanciers test or notice the change . .

Depends how diligent one fancier is lol

ALF · September 16, 2014

Depends how diligent one fancier is lol

:emoticon-0140-rofl:

peter pandy · September 16, 2014

Thats a very good question and anticipate a myrade of answers !.

peter pandy · September 16, 2014

DILLIGENCE !! Thats a good one, so as no one has responded to the original question I will kick this one off.

To my knowledge you cannot tell if your bird has good or bad bacteria in abundance without sending to a laboratary swabs taken from Throat, base of Crop and rectum for culture testing.

A lack of Bacteria can be instigated by all Antibiotics and believe it or not Garlic as it cannot differentiate between good or bad so destroys both being antibacterial but I am sure you knew that.

To maintain good bacteria Prebiotics followed by Probiotics should follow all medicated treatments to replenish what is lost. :emoticon-0126-nerd:

William Reid · September 17, 2014

Depends how diligent one fancier is lol

. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Tony C · September 17, 2014

You can suspect bad bacteria is present but not tell, a culture test as far as I'm aware is the only way of finding out for sure.

I would suspect bad bacteria if a pigeon show any of the following signs, limping, swollen joints, poor performance, loose droppings, dull in appearance.

Again as far as I'm aware bad bacteria is ever present in pigeons and is always probing for a weakness trying to take a foothold somewhere. I'll give you an example. A good few years back I had a team of young birds that were underperforming, something wasn't right so I sent of 3 youngsters to a vet with instructions to find out what the problem was even if it meant culling them and carrying out tests on stomach, organs etc. Cultures were done on blood & organs and the findings were bacteria was present around their hearts! giving the heart a swollen flabby appearance, consequently the pigeons couldn't perform nowhere near their best. In this case the pigeons looked in all respects healthy but it was the poor performance that got the alarm bells ringing.

September 17, 2014

That's a good example Tony that even good bacteria are bad if they are somewhere in the body that they're not supposed to be. I doubt if it is possible to culture gut flora ( ie more than just the bacteria ) because there are so many different species each with its own specialty needs so they colonise different parts of the gut, and remain there for different lengths of time..

Roland · September 17, 2014

Simply put NO medicine differentiates between good, or bad, so ...

greenlands · September 17, 2014

Simply put NO medicine differentiates between good, or bad, so ...

I can never understand this statement,if you have a problem and have sought advise,been given the appropriate anti and followed the vets advise,why does the droppings get better the birds health get better if the antis.kill good bacteria ? When doing cultures several antis are used to see which is the correct one to use for the problem,the others kill nothing ??

Or should I say not what you are treating for.

dwh · September 17, 2014

DILLIGENCE !! Thats a good one, so as no one has responded to the original question I will kick this one off.
To my knowledge you cannot tell if your bird has good or bad bacteria in abundance without sending to a laboratary swabs taken from Throat, base of Crop and rectum for culture testing.
A lack of Bacteria can be instigated by all Antibiotics and believe it or not Garlic as it cannot differentiate between good or bad so destroys both being antibacterial but I am sure you knew that.
To maintain good bacteria Prebiotics followed by Probiotics should follow all medicated treatments to replenish what is lost.

Eh!!!!

If they or you got too much bad you will see in the birds droppings

And if you got too many bad yer backside and if your not quick enough the wife will tell you when she does the washing :emoticon-0136-giggle:

William Reid · September 22, 2014

You can suspect bad bacteria is present but not tell, a culture test as far as I'm aware is the only way of finding out for sure.
I would suspect bad bacteria if a pigeon show any of the following signs, limping, swollen joints, poor performance, loose droppings, dull in appearance.
Again as far as I'm aware bad bacteria is ever present in pigeons and is always probing for a weakness trying to take a foothold somewhere. I'll give you an example. A good few years back I had a team of young birds that were underperforming, something wasn't right so I sent of 3 youngsters to a vet with instructions to find out what the problem was even if it meant culling them and carrying out tests on stomach, organs etc. Cultures were done on blood & organs and the findings were bacteria was present around their hearts! giving the heart a swollen flabby appearance, consequently the pigeons couldn't perform nowhere near their best. In this case the pigeons looked in all respects healthy but it was the poor performance that got the alarm bells ringing.

Cracking and very honest reply Tony thanks.

Do you have any thoughts on what caused the imbalance .

And if you can remember what medication (if any) was advised for treatment .

Tony C · September 22, 2014

Cracking and very honest reply Tony thanks.
Do you have any thoughts on what caused the imbalance .
And if you can remember what medication (if any) was advised for treatment .

Its my belief that it jumped on the back of my youngsters whilst they were down with y/b/s. I was advised to treat with Dicural (which I did).