rembrant2coo Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 what about donaldson&downie north of the tay yes good performance but delboy was talking about the gold cup race and theres was nantes timed on the night vel 1466
alec guinness Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 yes good performance but delboy was talking about the gold cup race and theres was nantes timed on the night vel 1466 remember the race well sent 4 timed 3 in 90 mins on the shift, up 5.30am timed the 4th a 10yr old hen in my boxers,won the region, 21 years old at the time pure magic 614mls,sorry about the nostalgia but thats what national racing does to you. :) :)
Delboy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 remember the race well sent 4 timed 3 in 90 mins on the shift, up 5.30am timed the 4th a 10yr old hen in my boxers,won the region, 21 years old at the time pure magic 614mls,sorry about the nostalgia but thats what national racing does to you. :) :) Blaw hame specialist
Guest redwhiteblue Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 remember the race well sent 4 timed 3 in 90 mins on the shift, up 5.30am timed the 4th a 10yr old hen in my boxers,won the region, 21 years old at the time pure magic 614mls,sorry about the nostalgia but thats what national racing does to you. :) :)[/quot i would love to see you in boxers ha ha
rembrant2coo Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 remember the race well sent 4 timed 3 in 90 mins on the shift, up 5.30am timed the 4th a 10yr old hen in my boxers,won the region, 21 years old at the time pure magic 614mls,sorry about the nostalgia but thats what national racing does to you. :) :) ye alec i was at a wedding that day , and night and my young lad timed in he was a bit excited when he phoned , he was seventeen then
alec guinness Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Blaw hame specialist dont care, just about perfect,more races like this required with more 500-600 milers on the shift,nothing like these races for putting a smile on fanciers faces. :)
alec guinness Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 ye alec i was at a wedding that day , and night and my young lad timed in he was a bit excited when he phoned , he was seventeen then fantastic. :) :) more of these races please.
Delboy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 dont care, just about perfect,more races like this required with more 500-600 milers on the shift,nothing like these races for putting a smile on fanciers faces. :) Must agree with you Jalec. Birds on the shift are very scarce nowadays.
Guest redwhiteblue Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 With all fairness to you lads we are in favour of midday and afternoon liberations i personally think it's a big joke, when racing from 500+ miles the pigeons should be up as early as possible in my opinion 4.30am to give everyone their chance of their dream of timing in on the day fair enough they have been good performances put up by the pigeons on midday liberations
me Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Gareth I can't agree with the mid-day libs from the Kings Cup, although I do agree that the 600+ mile race could be a later than EAP lib due to the fact that the birds more often than not are not expected on the day, unless its a blow home or there's a cheat, like a couple of years ago, but 530-560miles should be day races. Spoken like a widowhood man Andy one trick widowhood cocks don't like to have to think about it do they?
midnight_son Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 With all fairness to you lads we are in favour of midday and afternoon liberations i personally think it's a big joke, when racing from 500+ miles the pigeons should be up as early as possible in my opinion 4.30am to give everyone their chance of their dream of timing in on the day fair enough they have been good performances put up by the pigeons on midday liberations Spot on ! Day pigeons are what it's all about, the 2nd day never quite has the same buzz about it, the momentum goes out of the race when it gets broken up like that.
Delboy Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Spot on ! Day pigeons are what it's all about, the 2nd day never quite has the same buzz about it, the momentum goes out of the race when it gets broken up like that. Everybody thinks the same Jamie
robbiedoo. Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 doos liberated at 8 -9am little or no chance of a bird on the day for the far north flyers spare a thought.
Big Davie Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 With all fairness to you lads we are in favour of midday and afternoon liberations i personally think it's a big joke, when racing from 500+ miles the pigeons should be up as early as possible in my opinion 4.30am to give everyone their chance of their dream of timing in on the day fair enough they have been good performances put up by the pigeons on midday liberations RWB i agree we all want the opportunity to time on the day, but early as possible means just that, its not always possible to liberate at 4:30am. I hate mid morning liberations for channel races as the guys in the south section can still time on the shift, i think if no lib by 7:00am then birds should be held until 1:00pm forcing the whole convoy to sleep out.
midnight_son Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Glad you agree Derek, we've not timed a day bird since 2006 and it's depressing me a bit ! Hopefully the conditions and liberation times will be more conducive this year.
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Midnight_son, I have always been for early liberations from Kings cup and Tours but it seems to be quite a fashionable thing now to get liberations at 09.00 which eliminates the west the north and most of the east section, i do appreciate that this has been because of weather conditions at the time, but instead of liberating at 09.00 i would rather the pigeons are held until at least 11.00 (weather permitting) thus giving a fairer and true result to all the members that have sent. Cheers Gareth
andy Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Andy/Derek, Why do you favour later liberations for the 600 mile races ? There's been plenty 600 mile on the day performances over the years, both into the Central belt from Nantes/Tours or further north from the Falaise & Gold Cup races. 600 miles at 40mph is only 15 hours, surely that's a 1 day race ? Hi Jamie, I dont favour mid-day libs at all, infact the birds should be lib around the 5am mark, but if the majority want to lib mid-day then Tours being the farthest is more likely to be a 2 day race anyway as history has shown.
midnight_son Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Gareth, I think its not so much a fashion for 9am liberations as unfortunate weather circumstances in those years that have forced it. I know that my dad as race controller would never choose a 9am liberation over an early morning liberation and nobody would be more frustrated than him that 2005, 2007 & 2008 the gold cup race saw liberations at awkward times. I believe it is his opinion that if the birds can't get up early enough to allow day birds to the majority of the country he would rather wait until the following day than liberate them mid morning or lunchtime (assuming a favourable forecast is on the cards for the following days). Hopefully its just been a few freak years weather wise and we can get back to dawn liberations for the channel races. Andy, Sorry, I took one of your earlier posts wrongly, I read it as you suggesting that midday liberations were wrong for the Falaise and Gold cup races but were OK for the longest national.
walterbmasson Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Posted January 11, 2009 i am glad to see some fanciers are all of the same mind about all the birds should get a chance to win the nationals letting the birds go as early as possible also with a light south wind letting the birds go at 7 am at 40 mls an hour is 10'30 but you all know tired bird will slow down as distances increase but let them go at 5am to 5.30 the tables would be in a more even playing field all we need now is a race controller from the north section :) 8) ??)
Delboy Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 i am glad to see some fanciers are all of the same mind about all the birds should get a chance to win the nationals letting the birds go as early as possible also with a light south wind letting the birds go at 7 am at 40 mls an hour is 10'30 but you all know tired bird will slow down as distances increase but let them go at 5am to 5.30 the tables would be in a more even playing field all we need now is a race controller from the north section :) 8) ??) Step forward Walter, if you want the race control job
dkj Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 i think 6 am is early enough 2 let them go. any time befor that u can get a funny race
walterbmasson Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Posted January 11, 2009 8) delboy if you want early liberations iam your man a fisherman for 23 years plenty weather experance all the long distance men wants to get the best out of your birds get the bus organised
Delboy Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 8) delboy if you want early liberations iam your man a fisherman for 23 years plenty weather experance all the long distance men wants to get the best out of your birds get the bus organised Go for it , the SNFC have just lost one third of their race control team.Your the man to fill the gap
walterbmasson Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Posted January 11, 2009 if you cant let them go before 6am change the rule book its not worth the paper its written on if you cant let them up in the daylight hours why have them flying in the dark iam sure you dont need 6am gives you queer racing any time you will get bad racing the bad racing we have endured for may i ask how long dont mention it but it certainly not with early liberations ----------------------------------------- > :K) :B :-/
Chris Little Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Get them up as soon as possible 8)
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