fairness SNFC

[dkj]

all races early as possible. dont like midday liberation

[Delboy]

16th open Alencon , midday lib Davie lol

[REDROCKET]

hotrod surely with technoligyof this new millenium the controller does't have to phone to many people satelite weather reports an all that????

[dkj]

wrong 17th open mate

[Delboy]

wrong 17th open mate

 

Not as good as I thought it was lol

[Roland]

The difference between 10-45 pm and 4-30am is less than a minute and birds timed before 12 midnight are given 10-45 and after are given 4-30 but there is still only a min between

 

But what if, as has happen far to many time a bird arrives at 11 - 5! and a lesser bird gets disturbed at 3 15... flys on and makes enough progess to be timed in at 4 : 25 next morning!

I honestly believe - especially now in the days of ET timing ( Yes I know at the moment many want a rubber timing too, but that will change) That HOD should be scraped.

At best Local times adhered too, but not even happy with that thought.

Was a great case -and many - where Biss and Waite timed way behind a great bird.... but HOD gave it to them!

Besides if a bird flies into and through darkness, the merit alone means it should be timed as such and get the merit it deserves.

[Roland]

all races early as possible. dont like midday liberation

 

100% right, I agree entirely ... Again Noon libs are contrived for the coastal boys to have middle distance winners claiming a Distance race.

[Blue Tooner]

Falaise (601 miles), Alencon (632) Tours (708) to me in Peterhead!!  ??) ??)

[walterbmasson]

 

 

 

roland they can scrap h o d  any time they want for me as long as its early as possible i dont think the north lads would loose any sleep after allbirds let go at 5am after all 10pm is 17hrs now that is more like it  but still youve got to have the birds to do it but at the moment were loosing a hour and more every race and that is what this post is about

[Guest]

i would like to make 1 thing clear about what i said regarding 10-45 4-30 the race has stopped inbetween they times it stops at 10-45pm and restarts at 4-30am the time inbetween does not count as flying time hence only a min between them and as i said i do believe a bird will fly on after its dark in some ocassions and will get up and on with it before 4-30 am in cases as well i have timed at 4-20  to be 65th open riems snfc but no complaints from me roland they will still only be a min. or so between them on the result iam not saying its fair just explaining the actual situation race rules

[robbiedoo.]

in 12 years of racing ive had one bird fly in the dark i timed in from hastings our furthest race 483 mile at 7 minutes past 12 at night winning 1st club the second club bird was timed in at 2.30am both with ets thats the only time in 12 year ive a bird fly in the dark so it shows you how few and far between dark doos are

[walterbmasson]

 

 

 

         robbiedoo in the past 40years there isnt a hand full timed on the day from 600mls but i can assure you theres a hell of a lot been on the door step that didntget  get the chance due to lib times a lot meet there waterloo by holding the birds back ok once in a while but its every race   > >    

[Roland]

Good job Kipps birds counted... a stack from 1 02 to 1 177, and they all went in the clock.

Can't for love or money see why a bird that strives on should be penalised, even robbed of the true merit it deserves.

Yes the sooner, outed the better, like the Noon libs.... every bird should be given every chance of making it's loft on the day. Sure some will be 2 - 3 day races etc. But if possible, then should should be allowed to do it.

But it is an contrivd twist to feather and line own interests of course. Daren't repeat some of the B*****cks spout to justify their own agenda. When crap scenarios are used, it is usually a white wash.

[Guest IB]

I believe everyone wants a day pigeon. I agree you need a very early lib to give every bird in the convoy an equal chance of doing that. The main reason stopping the birds getting away early appears to be weather conditions (becoming more unsettled, and differ greatly from region to region). Some part of the course always seems to be shut at some time on that 'first' morning.

[thunderbigbaws]

i was 5th open alencon with a midday lib, give me 10th or 20th open and the birds home on the day, with an early liberation anytime. its a great feeling

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Yes there's definitely something special timing on the night from 500+ miles 8) 8) but ticker still goes at a hell of a rate when one comes on the second morning. 8)

[robbiedoo.]

im going to try the channel this year i dont know if my birds will do it but ill give it my best shot . i would prefer early lib but at the end of the day you cant deafet nature you have to give the doos the best possible chance of getting home as everybody knows good 600mile doos dont come 2 a penny.youve got to do whats right for them weather wise but i do agree the earlier the better.im not into polotics just the love of the game for me thankfully

[blackswan]

good for the north easters give them your best shot, and keep firing them in,

[hotrod]

i would like to make 1 thing clear about what i said regarding 10-45 4-30 the race has stopped inbetween they times it stops at 10-45pm and restarts at 4-30am the time inbetween does not count as flying time hence only a min between them and as i said i do believe a bird will fly on after its dark in some ocassions and will get up and on with it before 4-30 am in cases as well i have timed at 4-20  to be 65th open riems snfc but no complaints from me roland they will still only be a min. or so between them on the result iam not saying its fair just explaining the actual situation race rules

 

frank i,m sorry but your wrong mate it,s the same time not a minute between them exactly the same time

[Novice]

A second day pigeon must be as exciting as a day pigeon with a late liberation and no day birds recorded.

 

Irrespective of what day it was timed the bird did it's best and I appreciate that.

[hotrod]

 

But what if, as has happen far to many time a bird arrives at 11 - 5! and a lesser bird gets disturbed at 3 15... flys on and makes enough progess to be timed in at 4 : 25 next morning!

I honestly believe - especially now in the days of ET timing ( Yes I know at the moment many want a rubber timing too, but that will change) That HOD should be scraped.

At best Local times adhered too, but not even happy with that thought.

Was a great case -and many - where Biss and Waite timed way behind a great bird.... but HOD gave it to them!

Besides if a bird flies into and through darkness, the merit alone means it should be timed as such and get the merit it deserves.

youve got to be joking, scrap hod,  how fair is that on the longest fliers dont be so silly .if a bird flies on in the dark and gets up early and heads home well bl@@dy good for it,  give me some more of these birds please i,ll take them anyday i think there are fewer  of these  about than 15/16 hr day birds

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

youve got to be joking, scrap hod,  how fair is that on the longest fliers dont be so silly .if a bird flies on in the dark and gets up early and heads home well bl@@dy good for it,  give me some more of these birds please i,ll take them anyday i think there are fewer  of these  about than 15/16 hr day birds

 

Yes it is perfectly fine the way it is Hotrod (23.00 to 0430). I dont know what the temperture is like at Roland's at the end of June but i can asure him when it comes to 21.00 in Scotland the temperature just plummets dramaticly and very few will fly on once they have already flown 13 - 14 hours on the wing.

I know that in the west of Scotland in the last 5 years i count on 1 hand how many pigeons have been timed within the first 1 1/2 hours of the race opening.

 

Has to be a balance for the full country and at this moment in time i believe that we have that balance.

 

 

 

[Chris Little]

Although not a SNFC race, take a look at last years NFC Tarbes race.

 

Impett & Denny , 750 miles on the day, awesome......

[Roland]

I believe everyone wants a day pigeon. I agree you need a very early lib to give every bird in the convoy an equal chance of doing that. The main reason stopping the birds getting away early appears to be weather conditions (becoming more unsettled, and differ greatly from region to region). Some part of the course always seems to be shut at some time on that 'first' morning.

 

Not reality or truth that.

The reason put forward is, and was very glib. Even tongue in cheek to be believed.

It was so NO bird had time to cross the channel , to be held up ... Guess the last part as to why.... then let the truths set in.

A decent middle coast bird can hop over the 22 miles odd early morning, whilst real distance birds have to fly another 2 - 300 miles or more!

Their sceanario further is / was, same for all birds. And again be the SAME weather conditions for all next day!

Rubbish. Muscles cold and stiff, need to warm up, -Though I don't thing the chilly channel breeze helps, once flying they will warm. But takes a lot of different elements in it's path home whilst the middle distance bird sis nicely it's it nest box for the next 6 - 8 hours even whilst the distance bird has to do the extra miles.

And the cheeky gits still advertise and word as a Distance winner lol.

[Roland]

And Gareth, / Hotrod, with respect even 1 hour of flight till say 11 30 is robbed.

Better still, are you saying that if Some birds can and do do it that they should be penerlised?

Please explain why it is faier, for I am certainly at a lose there.

Futher why not leave out HOD and allow the birds their own merit and time!

For surely most 400 - 450 milers are tucked up in their nest box, and the morning like you say is chilled and cold etc. So that in it's self surely is also unfair on the bird flying anothr 2- 300 miles!