Transfers

[kirky]

this could be the reason why when i reported 3 su birds thay gave me the owner of 1 and said the other 2 were not registered ?

[naedoos]

this problem is because a 3/4 hundred fanciers left the shu and joined the rpra as they were not happy with the way the shu was being run ,my mate big murdo was a member of the shu till this year ,there was a lot of politcal fighting in his club/fed so he joined my club/fed  an rpra one and resigned from his shu club ,so the shu is taking the hump and playing funny beggers with the members that leave ,WHY SHOULD I OR ANYONE ELSE PAY A FEE TO A UNION THAT TREATS FANCIERS THIS WAY? PS THIS FANCIER MR JOHN MURDOCH IS NOT ONE BIT POLITICAL AND WHEN HE DECIDED TO LEAVE HIS OLD CLUB/FED HE CONTACTED  MRS LINDA BROOKES AT THE SHU OFFICE AND ASKED IF IT WOULD BE OK TO DO THIS  AND THAT HIS RINGS ETC WOULD BE REGISTERED SHE TOLD HIM NO PROBLEM. BUT NOW 100% U TURN .

 

Everyone should have the right to join whatever club/fed they wish to and your mate Murdo did nothing wrong in my eyes. What I can't understand is what you now want the Scottish Homing Union to do as he is no longer a member.

 

You also keep saying that he is not political, so why does he not just pay his £13 for this year get his rings registered which will then enable him to transfer them :-/

 

 

 

[hotrod]

 

well pal for one register his rings in his name as he has paid for them ,and after the way he has been treated he no longer wants anything to do with them (shu).ps this is not a political dig at the shu i just feel for the big man ,me i dont even try to transfer any su rings now i register them with the rpra that they are my property,if it happened to you(you buy gb rung birds but the rpra wont tansfer them ) what would you do mate?i'll tell you you would be on here ranting and raving about it ,and rightly so ,

 

 

[Fair Play]

On the 20th of May I sent off two different sets of transfers to the SHU along with a cheque for £3.00  I received one back and emailed them to find out what had happened to the other received an automated reply but still no transfer that was on the 4/6/2009. If I dont at least get my money back I will contact the bank to see what recourse I have,not a lot of money it's the principal maybe they think they are part of the Government and "Steal" the publics cash

[naedoos]

well pal for one register his rings in his name as he has paid for them ,and after the way he has been treated he no longer wants anything to do with them (shu).ps this is not a political dig at the shu i just feel for the big man ,me i dont even try to transfer any su rings now i register them with the rpra that they are my property,if it happened to you(you buy gb rung birds but the rpra wont tansfer them ) what would you do mate?i'll tell you you would be on here ranting and raving about it ,and rightly so ,

 

 

Why??? If I had decided to resign from "ANYTHING" would I then expect something from them :-/

 

After all, if you were a former member of the AA and didn't join for a year and your car broke down, surely you wouldn't expect them to fix it for you

 

[hotrod]

 

Why??? If I had decided to resign from "ANYTHING" would I then expect something from them :-/

 

After all, if you were a former member of the AA and didn't join for a year and your car broke down, surely you wouldn't expect them to fix it for you

think about what your saying mate(read old yellows post that his get transfered no probs and he's not a member) , if you have or buy su rings/birds they should be obligated to either transfer them or at least register them in your name all be it an n/a number as they do for anyone else in the brittish isles ,if my mate registers them with the rpra as the shu have told him to do and a non member gets one in there garden and contacts the shu they have no record of who's bird it is then how can this bird be repatriated ?as the shu office has said to one of the finders of (murdos) birds feed it and let it go its not your problem .that is shocking . >

 

 

[Guest bigda]

well pal for one register his rings in his name as he has paid for them ,and after the way he has been treated he no longer wants anything to do with them (shu).ps this is not a political dig at the shu i just feel for the big man ,me i dont even try to transfer any su rings now i register them with the rpra that they are my property,if it happened to you(you buy gb rung birds but the rpra wont tansfer them ) what would you do mate?i'll tell you you would be on here ranting and raving about it ,and rightly so ,

 

 

why can"t your friend take  your  advice, and do as you do

the problem would be solved,  as i am sure you have discussed the situation manny times to  him,  and put him as wise as your self :X ;D

[hotrod]

 

why can"t your friend take  your  advice, and do as you do

the problem would be solved,  as i am sure you have discussed the situation manny times to  him,  and put him as wise as your self :X ;D

that is fine with one or two but he has 90 youngbirds surely a few would be reported and who do they get reported to ? YES THATS RIGHT THE SHU  but they dont have them registered to anyone ,so where do they end up?

 

 

[Guest bigda]

that is fine with one or two but he has 90 youngbirds surely a few would be reported and who do they get reported to ? YES THATS RIGHT THE SHU  but they dont have them registered to anyone ,so where do they end up?

 

 

if he was issued with the rings they will  be registered to him did he pay for them,and was he a member at the time of the ring issue, if so they birds will be registered to his own address, unless he handed in his resignation, the  problem  now being  computer raised,  not like the old ledgers hand writen.    to stop  unwanted  shu business being mailed to non members  IE  balance sheets and such like  they will remove the file and store   it on a disc and should some one ask  of his ring number they will be wiped

[hotrod]

 

if he was issued with the rings they will  be registered to him did he pay for them,and was he a member at the time of the ring issue, if so they birds will be registered to his own address, unless he handed in his resignation, the  problem  now being  computer raised,  not like the old ledgers hand writen.    to stop  unwanted  shu business being mailed to non members  IE  balance sheets and such like  they will remove the file and store   it on a disc and should some one ask  of his ring number they will be wiped

as you well know you order your next years rings in september/october ,he ordered his got them off his club secy on the 4th jan 09  but with all the political fighting that was going about between renfrew fed and most of his club mates and dumbarton club

,he had enough ,and resigned from his old club at the AGM ,he just doesnt want anything to do with politics ,hes an easy ossy kind of guy , he joined my club duntocher and clydebank as we have a very good club with good camarardery ,but the SHU wont register his rings because he is no longer a member.and yes he has payed for them and left his old club in good terms

 

[JADE]

if he left his old club on good terms why didnt he pay a shu fee through his club, get the rings registered but resign from his club so he didnt have to pay a club/fed fee sounds like he (or someone else) is trying to stir it up

[hotrod]

if he left his old club on good terms why didnt he pay a shu fee through his club, get the rings registered but resign from his club so he didnt have to pay a club/fed fee sounds like he (or someone else) is trying to stir it up

 

why does he need to pay an shu fee ?and i am not stirring anything up im just bemused by the hole thing ,why sell rings then dont register them ?im on his side thats for sure be it an shu or rpra problem i would still support him

[ALF]

i get my RPRA rings transferred/registered no problem so cant see why it should be a problem for non SHU members to get SU rings transferred/registeredin their own name...Time for the SHU to come up with an answer as to why they wont do it :

[hotrod]

i get my RPRA rings transferred/registered no problem so cant see why it should be a problem for non SHU members to get SU rings transferred/registeredin their own name...Time for the SHU to come up with an answer as to why they wont do it :

spot on mate thats all i want .

 

[ALF]

I know a good friend of mine got some su rung y/b's on sunday and he is'nt a member of the SHU although he flies in Scotland and i told him to send me the details and i would take them into the SHU office for him as it is only 2 mins from my house to get them transferred for him 8) 8)

[HOMER49]

 

why does he need to pay an shu fee ?and i am not stirring anything up im just bemused by the hole thing ,why sell rings then dont register them ?im on his side thats for sure be it an shu or rpra problem i would still support him

 

Hi

The Shu didnt sell him rings his club did and his club

could not register them because he is NOT A MEMBER

You cannot go up to the SHU offices and get rings if you are not a member

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[hotrod]

 

Hi

The Shu didnt sell him rings his club did and his club

could not register them because he is NOT A MEMBER

You cannot go up to the SHU offices and get rings if you are not a member

Cheers

Homer 49

 

alex he phoned the shu office before he did any of this and WAS TOLD BY MRS LINDA BROOKES that everything would be ok ,now they have done a u-turn. IF HE HAS TO PAY A MEMBERSHIP FOR THIS YEAR THEN FINE . but they are not reporting lost birds to him ,if he doesnt join next year  WILL THEY DO THE SAME ?(with this years rings)my guess YES

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

Surely this as gone on long enough, I BELIEVE THE SHU RULING IS YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER TO REGISTER THE RINGS,HE IS NOT A MEMBER SO IT ENDS  HERE NO IFFS OR BUTS.

[johno]

shu / issuing union are breaking trade descritions act. the rings are sold and a profit is made. the rings are a means of registration and proof of ownership. hamilton trading standards or murdos local trading standards office willl take this on for him. go to alec neil snp msp and lay it in front of him. he portrays himself as the pigeon mans friend. trading standards are based in local council offices. they are extremely helpful. as to going to court avoid at all costs. all you do is send a lawyer on holiday or pay for their families private schooling. the buck stops with shu no other organisation they make the profit and have a duty of care to the person who buys the rings. it would also help if every one with the problem went to the msp local to the shu offices and put the problem in front of them. hope this helps.

[PIGEON_MAN]

shu / issuing union are breaking trade descritions act. the rings are sold and a profit is made. the rings are a means of registration and proof of ownership. hamilton trading standards or murdos local trading standards office willl take this on for him. go to alec neil snp msp and lay it in front of him. he portrays himself as the pigeon mans friend. trading standards are based in local council offices. they are extremely helpful. as to going to court avoid at all costs. all you do is send a lawyer on holiday or pay for their families private schooling. the buck stops with shu no other organisation they make the profit and have a duty of care to the person who buys the rings. it would also help if every one with the problem went to the msp local to the shu offices and put the problem in front of them. hope this helps.

 

I understood it was not the SHU that sold him the rings but the club he was a member of at the time,surely if he then desides to resign from the club then he is no longer a member of the SHU so under the rules he cannot register the rings with them,surely thats not difficult to understand.

[johno]

say a shop sells you a television and then closes. the television does not work a month later. you still have the right to take the matter up with the original seller of the television or manufacturer. your right is based on the item not doing what it is supposed to do. the same appliues to the rings. surely that is not diificult to understand.

[Guest numpty01]

say a shop sells you a television and then closes. the television does not work a month later. you still have the right to take the matter up with the original seller of the television or manufacturer. your right is based on the item not doing what it is supposed to do. the same appliues to the rings. surely that is not diificult to understand.

teli comes with garantee rings dont

 

[johno]

rings are official register of pigeon during pigeons lifetime. same as tag on cows ear registered with national farmers union throughout lifetime of cow. as part of the deal in selling the ring the union makes around 400 per cent profit per ring. this charge contains the duty to maintain the registration and record of movement of the registration if need be. a legal obligation. this applies to rpra nehu whu nipa shu etc etc. other wise fanciers would be buying registration rings direct from the wholesale source and thus depriving the union of a major part of their annual income. the responsibility is with the union to provide the details.

[Guest numpty01]

the clubs supply you with rings and also supply non members which is against the rules the point made in this thread is someone being childish ie shu because of split so wont transfer rings they refuse to reconise

[johno]

the shu is the registration authority for the rings in question. if the rings need to be transfered they are the only organisation who can transfer them. the refusal to transfer breeches many individual rights. what does the fancier do sit back and accept the outrageous situation he is in ? as a result of the position taken by the union in question. what does he do with the pigeons as they will not be able to race?