Young Bird Racing

[peter pandy]

Went with Almond Valley Federation last week with 15 and had 14 return in good time. Put Permanngate of Potash in the water on their return in case anything was picked up in the baskets and all was well. Tuesday I trained from 22 miles and all arrived in 35 mts and looking in top form. Wednesday trained again from 22 miles with half returning on 35 mts and the rest struggling in over the next 5 hrs with the exception of 2 which never made it home, I took a good look at them at feeding time and felt their was something wrong with them as they appeared a little slugish in their actions. Thursday morning perches and veranda were covered in feeding, green and disgusting droppings all over the section so gave them wee Watie's prescription as instructed and expected to go in this morning to them shining and fighting fit. They were worse so phoned Belgica and asked for advice as to what the problem was as I have never had this malady nor saw it before and after explaining the symptoms she diagnosed the dreaded Y.B.Sickness. On enquiring where they could have picked it up she informed me their was a 4-5 day period from contamination which takes me back to the transporter. I am not blaming anyone for putting birds away with YBS as it could have struck for the first time during Friday night Saturday morning as it appears the vomiting takes place at night. I must add that Belgica informed me they have been inundated with fanciers looking for help over the past fortnight.

[Guest stb-]

Went with Almond Valley Federation last week with 15 and had 14 return in good time. Put Permanngate of Potash in the water on their return in case anything was picked up in the baskets and all was well. Tuesday I trained from 22 miles and all arrived in 35 mts and looking in top form. Wednesday trained again from 22 miles with half returning on 35 mts and the rest struggling in over the next 5 hrs with the exception of 2 which never made it home, I took a good look at them at feeding time and felt their was something wrong with them as they appeared a little slugish in their actions. Thursday morning perches and veranda were covered in feeding, green and disgusting droppings all over the section so gave them wee Watie's prescription as instructed and expected to go in this morning to them shining and fighting fit. They were worse so phoned Belgica and asked for advice as to what the problem was as I have never had this malady nor saw it before and after explaining the symptoms she diagnosed the dreaded Y.B.Sickness. On enquiring where they could have picked it up she informed me their was a 4-5 day period from contamination which takes me back to the transporter. I am not blaming anyone for putting birds away with YBS as it could have struck for the first time during Friday night Saturday morning as it appears the vomiting takes place at night. I must add that Belgica informed me they have been inundated with fanciers looking for help over the past fortnight.

sorry to hear this Peter and the horrible thing about getting it now is it will be very difficult to get them sorted and back on the road now before the racings to far out and you end up throwing them away .Theres been a good few posts by novice on here who had same thing same time last year , .

he let his birds recover and private trained them himself to 50 miles and said they raced really well as yearlings this year for him right out

[yeboah]

Went with Almond Valley Federation last week with 15 and had 14 return in good time. Put Permanngate of Potash in the water on their return in case anything was picked up in the baskets and all was well. Tuesday I trained from 22 miles and all arrived in 35 mts and looking in top form. Wednesday trained again from 22 miles with half returning on 35 mts and the rest struggling in over the next 5 hrs with the exception of 2 which never made it home, I took a good look at them at feeding time and felt their was something wrong with them as they appeared a little slugish in their actions. Thursday morning perches and veranda were covered in feeding, green and disgusting droppings all over the section so gave them wee Watie's prescription as instructed and expected to go in this morning to them shining and fighting fit. They were worse so phoned Belgica and asked for advice as to what the problem was as I have never had this malady nor saw it before and after explaining the symptoms she diagnosed the dreaded Y.B.Sickness. On enquiring where they could have picked it up she informed me their was a 4-5 day period from contamination which takes me back to the transporter. I am not blaming anyone for putting birds away with YBS as it could have struck for the first time during Friday night Saturday morning as it appears the vomiting takes place at night. I must add that Belgica informed me they have been inundated with fanciers looking for help over the past fortnight.

You are correct defo contacted the virus in the basket

Don't feed for 48 hrs give treatment in water also something to stop them dehydrating which they will do

Please don't make mistake I did years ago and enter them to quickly as they will go down

[peter pandy]

You are correct defo contacted the virus in the basket

Don't feed for 48 hrs give treatment in water also something to stop them dehydrating which they will do

Please don't make mistake I did years ago and enter them to quickly as they will go down

The Begica vet said to give them a light feed daily but my main concern is if it is a virus can it spread to another section where I have my new team stationed which wont be raced this year.

[JohnQuinn]

Suppose it depends whether its an ABV or CBV Peter, i canny help ye i'm afraid cos i'm pretty ignorant about it.

[Guest Owen]

I have been interested in the welfare and health of pigeons for some time now and I am convinced that many young bird losses are due to illness. I also think that some of the transport facilities are far from ideal and are the direct cause of our birds to become dehydrated which leads to hypoxia. If I am right the Falcons have it easy because the birds are in no condition to evade them and many pigeons loose there homing ability. Normally healthy pigeons should recover after a falcon attack and make their way home but they will not be able to do that if they are ill.

I reckon YBS is far more common than many realise and many of the losses from training are directly due to illness. The fact that some people refuse to both train and teach the birds to drink in the crates is not helping either. I know that birds suffering from hypoxia will often try to find water and land on shinny road surfaces or greenhouses in an attempt to get a drink. I am sure that when birds are in this state they will become lost very easily because they will have lost their homing ability.

Henk De Weerd is convinced that YBS is another form of paramixovirus and that the vaccination of old birds before they breed and the vaccination of youngsters at the right time is vital. I have no idea as to whether he is right or wrong but I feel sure that the disease is passed down from parents to young. We definitely have big problems with falcons when the birds are in flight but I think that we need to deal with both the health and welfare issues as a matter of urgency.

[peter pandy]

Suppose it depends whether its an ABV or CBV Peter, i canny help ye i'm afraid cos i'm pretty ignorant about it.

 

Crivvens John what is ABV and CBV as I am more ignorant than you LOL.

[JohnQuinn]

ABV is Air Bourne Virus, CBV when birds come into Contact with each other. OR!! it could maybe be a bird has to Vomit and another pick it up before its passed on, this is very close to BBV (Blood Boure Virus) but i don't know the proper terminology for that.

[peter pandy]

I dont believe it to be an air borne virus allthough I will find out pretty soon if my next section contacts it with them never mixing. What I noticed on the Thursday morning was that the Easy Bed under the perches had been scratched out with them looking for spewed up food ie Peanuts and Sunflower.

[R.A.M.C.63]

Last week i had a young ane didnt come in with the rest when called it sat on the roof most of the day and it was very hot and dry atmosphere any way,when i did get it in and into its section it didnt no its *expletive removed* frae its elbow it did nt know where drinker was it didnt pick up feed,it was obviously dazed with dehydration ,it wasnt right until i stuck its head in drinker,IMO we shouldnt be racing in these wild tempratures ,start young bird racing in August later if need be ,the first race as i heard was a bit of a disaster and yesterday nae a lot better ,I havent put yet because of weather so will see what next weeks like.

 

Hi philg50 intresting idea of course cant control weather mite end up being

heatwave in August next year couldn,t start much later

or ur ybs probly only be at 150 miles when yb Nat comes along, plus the moult, but then again if you were on darkness or watever and didnt go to Nat and started

racing later then good chance your last couple races (longest ones) mite be clashing free,

due to most feds having finnished, strange how start of YB racing aways coincides with percy

teaching y/PERCY TO KILL. instead of 2 you get 4-5. pros+cons jmo

[JohnQuinn]

A know fanciers with grill floors to have it in their lofts, obviously they can't pick up regurgitated food which only confuses me more!!

 

IS ANYONE ELSE OF THE OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO YB RACING FANCIERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PUT ALL OF THEIR BIRDS IN THE ONE BASKET AND DO AWAY WITH SPREADING THEM OUT???

 

I know if there's an escape then yer oot the race but better that than having a virus accidently spread through yer team by another fanciers birds.

[blue pied]

A know fanciers with grill floors to have it in their lofts, obviously they can't pick up regurgitated food which only confuses me more!!

 

IS ANYONE ELSE OF THE OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO YB RACING FANCIERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PUT ALL OF THEIR BIRDS IN THE ONE BASKET AND DO AWAY WITH SPREADING THEM OUT???

 

I know if there's an escape then yer oot the race but better that than having a virus accidently spread through yer team by another fanciers birds.

thats ok but if you get a small team fancier away with 6 , is he allowed a basket to himself?

[geordie1234]

John I'd love my doos in their own basket but we would need another transporter

[JohnQuinn]

thats ok but if you get a small team fancier away with 6 , is he allowed a basket to himself?

 

Common sense would obviously have to prevail when the birdages are high, but nothing to stop 2/3/4 fanciers agreeing to put their's together every week. As the birdage dropped then it wouldn't be a prob accommodating everyone, well every Reasonable fancier that is.

[geordie1234]

4 fanciers agreeing on something? Your having a laugh

[peter pandy]

A know fanciers with grill floors to have it in their lofts, obviously they can't pick up regurgitated food which only confuses me more!!

 

IS ANYONE ELSE OF THE OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO YB RACING FANCIERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PUT ALL OF THEIR BIRDS IN THE ONE BASKET AND DO AWAY WITH SPREADING THEM OUT???

 

I know if there's an escape then yer oot the race but better that than having a virus accidently spread through yer team by another fanciers birds.

 

I have been saying the same for years John and the excuses are lame especially when their are enough baskets to go round, or where you suspect a fancier may be harbouring a problem then put his in a seperate basket, BUT, the problem is solved when fanciers you trust put their birds in the one basket. There is no question of discrimination when you point out it is to safeguard cross contamination.

[JohnQuinn]

I have been saying the same for years John and the excuses are lame especially when their are enough baskets to go round, or where you suspect a fancier may be harbouring a problem then put his in a seperate basket, BUT, the problem is solved when fanciers you trust put their birds in the one basket. There is no question of discrimination when you point out it is to safeguard cross contamination.

 

100% Correct Peter.

 

4 fanciers agreeing on something? Your having a laugh

 

How true George.

[William Reid]

All safeguards for pigeons are in the drinking water (what you add to it ).

The pigeon bloom is the biggest spreading denomination . JMO.

[yeboah]

The Begica vet said to give them a light feed daily but my main concern is if it is a virus can it spread to another section where I have my new team stationed which wont be raced this year.

Peter once it's in the loft it is easy spread on your clothes on your feet from section to section

If proper treatment in water.it is easy cured ask someone local who has had it they should be able to tell you

I deal with belgica and respect their information but found by far the best cure was no food for 48 hrs

Not a problem birds that are not racing getting it

It's the racing team it affects as people push them to quick

I got lucky this year taking it months ago giving plenty of time to get them right prior to season commencing

As stated on here problem once season has started is jumping birds that are probably not A 1

Be patient they are always there for next year

Atb mick

[Tony C]

IMO Y/B/S is inherent. The youngsters harbour this illness until times of stress.

Marking and mixing with other youngsters raises the stress levels then add to that all the paraphernalia of being loaded and transported at night = a little more stress. Stress levels is heightened yet even further when they're raced in hot weather, dehydration without a doubt tips them over the edge.

[William Reid]

IMO Y/B/S is inherent. The youngsters harbour this illness until times of stress.

Marking and mixing with other youngsters raises the stress levels then add to that all the paraphernalia of being loaded and transported at night = a little more stress. Stress levels is heightened yet even further when they're raced in hot weather, dehydration without a doubt tips them over the edge.

Tony I only wish I could race as good a pigeon as you .

So I could post what a load of $hite .

[Tony C]

Tony I only wish I could race as good a pigeon as you .

So I could post what a load of $hite .

Couldn't you digest it billy

[William Reid]

Couldn't you digest it billy

PMSL ANTS.

[Joe_b]

don't think putting birds in one basket would be answer might help but most virious in young birds are air born I think jmo

[dal2]

Young bird sickness is just something that you need to manage nowadays. Its got to the stage now that I would like to get the bug around may/june so i can deal with it, train them and then get on with the racing