Louella Lofts (Stud)

[ghostrider]

Have any of you chaps bought birds..Stockbirds/youngsters off the above???

And how do you rate them?

 

Atb

[billt]

Yes I have bought from them several times over the last 40yrs. and always been very happy with birds and service

[clockman]

Have any of you chaps bought birds..Stockbirds/youngsters off the above???

And how do you rate them?

 

Atb

 

I bought 6 y/birds, 2 had to be put down and the others were sent back,They were about 14 weeks old and would not eat, The add said y/birds straight from the nest,

[C WRIGHT]

purchased race kit arrdens from them last year

great looking birds but no tickets

left with 1 out of six after 2nd race

probably my mistake as i think they may be better once time to fully mature into older distance birds

to me they give they appearance of a mature young bird but seem scatter brained when compared to my others at time

 

but to be fair it hasnt stopped me ordering another kit this year

[TheHigg]

purchased 2 kits of 6 when i started back in 2006 and done nothing with them [van reets] i am not knocking louella it was probably down to me [lack of experiance ] as others seem to be doing alright with them look at walter boswells results i think the majority of his birds are louella based jan ardens i have a few louella jules severi stock birds at the moment so heres hopeing and if i dont get a turn with their youngsters [again it could be down to me] as the old saying goes DONT KNOCK IT TILL YOUVE TRIED IT :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[philg50]

I have one or 2 yearlings bred Flor Engles louela certainly look the part ,I would give them a go again.

[Leroy]

I like them, always had a great service, if you buy from the web you can see exactly what you're getting. I've bought young bird kits, odd old birds, some certificate of origin, some with good pedigrees. I've generally done ok with them. I'm fairly new to all this and the Louella birds have done no worse than my others. I still have a 3yr old van den bossche cock that has flown from France.

 

Lee

[TheHigg]

FORGOT TO mention my first attempt at racing was in the 80s iwent down to louella with my father and he bought a pair of leopld cadous and a pair of muller janssens and again done done nothing with their offspring however my old man passed away a couple of years later and i had to part with the birds a friend of mine came and took some birds and one a tiny wee mealy hen bred winners for him [section winners] in the lanarkshire fed jansen if i had money to spare i would take the chance again [my birthday is due]so i hope my wife reads this as she reads everything else thats mine I E bank statements phone bills txt msgs nosey cnut :emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[seabreeze]

excellant birds ,i buy every year of them for stock,usually yearlings but i cross them with birds that have flew the channel for me,if not crossed they are easily lost due to being to inbred but crossed out then in again and they do the job it gives me up to date winning bloodlines at a reasonably price,with louella everything is for sale nothing held back but be carefull buying from sales unless complete clearance as your only buying the birds the owner doesnt want,selling something means you dont want it,think about this,it took me 20 years to find this out but i did ,so all in all a big yes from me for louella.

[Guest stb-]

they must have the best as they have bought the best but seen some garbage sent out to .

 

when you look at some of the pedigrees especially the fancy colour birds its silver hen breed for stock from silver cock bred for stock from another silver cock bred for stock also from another bird bred for stock

cant see that stuff producing much to be honest apart from fancy colours .

 

They will have good uns to but need hand picked

jmo

[Leroy]

they must have the best as they have bought the best but seen some garbage sent out to .

 

when you look at some of the pedigrees especially the fancy colour birds its silver hen breed for stock from silver cock bred for stock from another silver cock bred for stock also from another bird bred for stock

cant see that stuff producing much to be honest apart from fancy colours .

 

They will have good uns to but need hand picked

jmo

 

I disagree, I bought some silvers that were very closely related and took one young bird off them last year. It flew all the races that mine did and was the first bird back in training and one race.

[Guest stb-]

I disagree, I bought some silvers that were very closely related and took one young bird off them last year. It flew all the races that mine did and was the first bird back in training and one race.

got to be one out of 50,000 sold lol

i only used silver as an example it was more about 5 and 6 genearations breed fro stock and not tried for 40 years since the original bird was purchased .Very slim chance of succes from that type of breeding jmo

[TheHigg]

got to be one out of 50,000 sold lol

i only used silver as an example it was more about 5 and 6 genearations breed fro stock and not tried for 40 years since the original bird was purchased .Very slim chance of succes from that type of breeding jmo

agree with you there rab thankfully one of my pair are direct the others are second generation

[Guest stb-]

agree with you there rab thankfully one of my pair are direct the others are second generation

even the ones breed from the top birds Joe are not gauranteed to produce but you will have more chance than watered down stuff . .

[dal2]

They understand blood and breeding no doubts but a lot of frogs will need to be kissed. I have bought from them and have bred winners from their stock but to be honest its a bit hitty missy. Then again pigeons are a bit hitty missy in general?

[yorkie]

most of stock birds from them are mad wild, never been handled, so dont expect them to be tame

[ghostrider]

Went for the first time last year to louella's,expecting to see all pigeons of various strain/breeds in there own aviarys etc

So you could see them all... handle them and so on,and make your own mind up.

when my mate and i got there..we entered this building..inside there were a good selection of birds

in show pens,but none of the strain of birds we went to see.

we had to ask at the office desk(same room)about the birds we were after/waited for 15/20 mins

then a chap dressed in a white loft coat brought in 3 single bird boxes(courier type) with pigeons we were after.

But we were not over struck on them at all.

Same happened to a fella who wanted a couple of Soontjens.20 odd mins later same chap/white loft coat brought in 2 boxes we handled them also

one was ok he liked the cock and bought it.

We came away with nothing/there was nothing to see,thats if you wanted to wait there all day.

while they brought out different ones

But they did say afterwards that they had ALL THERE breeds on show yeaaaaaaaars ago.

[Guest Jake Greene]

Suppose like anything really you pay your money and take your chance. A mate of mone done very well with a kit of janssens from them flew hole programme and placed 2nd and 3rd fed in 2 weeks one of these the channel if im not mistaken

[Roland]

Well Mark Gilberts International winner was off Louella stock. (Never mind the garbage about Elspacker, he stated that in front of 150 of us)He buys in nigh every year, so can't be that bad.

[TheHigg]

when i went in the 80s there were a pair to a pen [small avery] and you just got one of the men in the white coats to tend to you [handle the birds] sounds a whole lot differant now

[Leroy]

got to be one out of 50,000 sold lol

i only used silver as an example it was more about 5 and 6 genearations breed fro stock and not tried for 40 years since the original bird was purchased .Very slim chance of succes from that type of breeding jmo

 

Silvers were a good example. I've bought all sorts off them, it's just the silver is the best racer I've bred from Louella birds.

[Lennut Tar]

No !!!!!!!!!!. But I would love the opportunity to have a free choice type of thing there. That being said, not in a million years would I take a punt, on what or may not turn up in a box by a courier etc.

Enjoy.

[Guest GAV]

Excellent stud very good service and very happy with birds i have bought over the years,

[Guest Owen]

I think that people forget that you can't actually see the potential of a pigeon as a racer so when you buy from any stud you are gambling. Random pairings which is what Studs tend to do can take the factors you need for racing away from what you are looking for. The only way that you can know if your breeding is maintaining the direction of improvement is by testing the birds properly and fairly. By doing this you can make your selection with certain knowledge of which way you are likely to be going. Most Studs will sell you birds that are generations away from the top birds they started with and as each generation passes the factors can be reducing. It is not that the Stud Managers are doing anything wrong because it is better for their reputation if they can sell you winners it is just that under the conditions that they work with it is a very hit and miss affair. I think it is worth remembering that the aims of Studs are different from their customers. The Customers like us want pigeons that can win races while the Stud Managers are primarily there to make money. I truly believe that we have too many pigeon collectors in the sport because many people like to brag about the birds they have which are bred down from this that and the other thing and can show you pieces of paper to prove it. In reality the best birds to start with must surely be the ones that have won races and can be found in the Sales when people are giving up. These are not the ones in which the advert states the ring number followed by the word Sire and no reference to the birds race record. Birds like that can be just as much of a gamble as the Stud birds. The idea that there are short cuts to success in pigeon racing is just a myth. To produce solid racers you will not do it easily by buying from Studs or reading pedigree forms. You need birds that you can be confident in their ability to perform and I have no doubt that unless you are lucky you will have to work to find those. If you really want to give yourself a chance why not save your money and buy just one outstanding proven cock pigeon that has won more that one blow home and mate him with 10 hens twice by using the bull system. That way you can have at least 40 youngsters with winning blood. They will not all be what you want but you will be moving in the right direction. For those who like grizzles or mealies or any particular colour you start by choosing the colour you like to start with and you will be up and running. By the way, if a top National Flyer like Mark Gilbert asked me for a bird I would do my best to see he had one of my very best and I would not blame Louella if they did the same. If on the other hand your name is Joe Soap you may not get the same treatment.

[PIGEONPACKMAN]

Good post own , pedigrees arejst a piece of paper and not a guarantee ,