Do We Over Complicate The Moult?

[Wiley]

Do fanciers over complicate the moult? Giving additives, and purchasing high priced so called moulting mixes? Reason why I asked a few years back a great national flyer told me he fed 100 barley through the moult, nothing else. Recently I read something from a legend in the sport that through the moult hell feed upto. 75% Barley, and 25% conditioning mix( red band type full of fatty seeds) , yet again with no additives only time he'll change the feed is before he pairs.

 

What are your thoughts, have you tried something similar? How was the feather quality? Did you notice anything different in the moult ?

[eastcoaster]

Do fanciers over complicate the moult? Giving additives, and purchasing high priced so called moulting mixes? Reason why I asked a few years back a great national flyer told me he fed 100 barley through the moult, nothing else. Recently I read something from a legend in the sport that through the moult hell feed upto. 75% Barley, and 25% conditioning mix( red band type full of fatty seeds) , yet again with no additives only time he'll change the feed is before he pairs.

 

What are your thoughts, have you tried something similar? How was the feather quality? Did you notice anything different in the moult ?

Reading Ad Schaerlaeckens book , it says that no amount of supplement will make any difference and that all top Dutch fanciers feed the same feed at all times and that a moulting mix is a waste of time as is breeding mix !.

[Wiley]

Reading Ad Schaerlaeckens book , it says that no amount of supplement will make any difference and that all top Dutch fanciers feed the same feed at all times and that a moulting mix is a waste of time as is breeding mix !.

 

Ad swears by Sedachol though, for the moult and all year round?

[billt]

Moulting is a purely natural happening not a medical condition, mine only require extra rations to grow the new suit

[geordie1234]

100% over complicate it

 

I know a few who just feed all rounder through the moult maybe with a touch of linseed also the other day a fancier on here told me he has been feeding 100% barley last few weeks and they look better for it..

 

 

I think ppl just get sucked in with all the hype to be honest buying all these extra products and feeds

[bullcock]

Do fanciers over complicate the moult? Giving additives, and purchasing high priced so called moulting mixes? Reason why I asked a few years back a great national flyer told me he fed 100 barley through the moult, nothing else. Recently I read something from a legend in the sport that through the moult hell feed upto. 75% Barley, and 25% conditioning mix( red band type full of fatty seeds) , yet again with no additives only time he'll change the feed is before he pairs.

 

What are your thoughts, have you tried something similar? How was the feather quality? Did you notice anything different in the moult ?

 

Many roads lead to Rome, I personally like a high protein and fat mix (peas, beans and trapping oily seeds) plenty of grit and minerals, give a variety with different nutrients giving the birds all the ingredients' to grow the best possible feathers.

Once the moult is finished then I like a lot of barley throughout the winter months.

[eastcoaster]

Ad swears by Sedachol though, for the moult and all year round?

True he does use sedachol .

Should add I also use it but not sure of any difference or what the difference should be , I also give brewers yeast and cod oil but again just my choice or habit.

[JohnQuinn]

Do fanciers over complicate the moult? Giving additives, and purchasing high priced so called moulting mixes? Reason why I asked a few years back a great national flyer told me he fed 100 barley through the moult, nothing else. Recently I read something from a legend in the sport that through the moult hell feed upto. 75% Barley, and 25% conditioning mix( red band type full of fatty seeds) , yet again with no additives only time he'll change the feed is before he pairs.

 

What are your thoughts, have you tried something similar? How was the feather quality? Did you notice anything different in the moult ?

 

I don't do anything different when the birds are going through it Wiley, usually the feeding used during racing is fed to them until it runs out then i give them four seasons or similar mix for the rest of the winter. I do use conditioning mixes, usually Red Band but i use that all year round not just for the moult.

So i suppose some fanciers do complicate things but to each their own, and if their doos are looking the way they like them to, then more power to them.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I just feed the same. Only difference is some extra beans peas mix and more barley. As they progress through the moult the beans peas mix will be reduced to zero and the barley will be increased.

[Delboy]

Do fanciers over complicate the moult? Giving additives, and purchasing high priced so called moulting mixes? Reason why I asked a few years back a great national flyer told me he fed 100 barley through the moult, nothing else. Recently I read something from a legend in the sport that through the moult hell feed upto. 75% Barley, and 25% conditioning mix( red band type full of fatty seeds) , yet again with no additives only time he'll change the feed is before he pairs.

 

What are your thoughts, have you tried something similar? How was the feather quality? Did you notice anything different in the moult ?

 

Yes we do complicate things imo, give them good food, clean water and grit and you will get the same end product. The same when rearing ybs, you don't need all the added expense of this and that. Give the basics needed for yb rearing ( provided the obs are healthy)and youll get a good yb team, guaranteed. Commercialism is *expletive removed* the sport up and making things complicated and expensive.

[geordie1234]

Good post del

[William Reid]

My pigeons have been on 100% barley for a few weeks now.the birds are having a great moult and are still exercising well .all the birds are on open loft and not once have they looked as if they are in a hard moult .this is my first year on open loft and I think the birds regulate the moult better.J.M.O. :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[Guest stb-]

My pigeons have been on 100% barley for a few weeks now.the birds are having a great moult and are still exercising well .all the birds are on open loft and not once have they looked as if they are in a hard moult .this is my first year on open loft and I think the birds regulate the moult better.J.M.O. :emoticon-0140-rofl:

if you shut them in billy they fall to peices m8

 

mines on my all year round mix of beans barley and poultry layer pellets

 

and they have a super moult on this

[Guest stb-]

Yes we do complicate things imo, give them good food, clean water and grit and you will get the same end product. The same when rearing ybs, you don't need all the added expense of this and that. Give the basics needed for yb rearing ( provided the obs are healthy)and youll get a good yb team, guaranteed. Commercialism is *expletive removed* the sport up and making things complicated and expensive.

spot on Del i couldnt justify buying all the daft stuff thats on the market

 

to moult or rear ybs on

[Delboy]

if you shut them in billy they fall to peices m8

 

mines on my all year round mix of beans barley and poultry layer pellets

 

and they have a super moult on this

 

That's it Rab, without the use of poultry spice, adherb,sedachol or anything else.If kept in, they fall apart.

[William Reid]

if you shut them in billy they fall to peices m8

 

mines on my all year round mix of beans barley and poultry layer pellets

 

and they have a super moult on this

Yes I totally agree Rab I used to lock them down every year after the last race and birds as you say would fall apart.as I have said before due to time restrictions with the birds now I had to make changes .and after advice from a top notch fancier on this site have used the barley in the hoppers .and from what I have seen healthy pigeons will take what they need from what ever you feed them as long as it is clean feeding .jmho

[Delboy]

Yes I totally agree Rab I used to lock them down every year after the last race and birds as you say would fall apart.as I have said before due to time restrictions with the birds now I had to make changes .and after advice from a top notch fancier on this site have used the barley in the hoppers .and from what I have seen healthy pigeons will take what they need from what ever you feed them as long as it is clean feeding .jmho

 

Barley is brilliant Billy but I think birds need more until they are through the moult.omo. Not sure if the feathering gets dry and brittle with barley alone? I know Chris Gordon does it but he gives extras in other ways to compensate. Mine go on barley/wheat after the moult and look great.

[William Reid]

Barley is brilliant Billy but I think birds need more until they are through the moult.omo. Not sure if the feathering gets dry and brittle with barley alone? I know Chris Gordon does it but he gives extras in other ways to compensate. Mine go on barley/wheat after the moult and look great.

I'm putting harkavits in the drinking water Tuesday and Thursday Derek .but if I think things are not going to plan I will change things.

 

 

Ps the gentleman who advised me about the barley also said when weather gets colder I will have to beef the barley up

[Delboy]

I'm putting harkavits in the drinking water Tuesday and Thursday Derek .but if I think things are not going to plan I will change things.

 

 

Ps the gentleman who advised me about the barley also said when weather gets colder I will have to beef the barley up

 

Now we are getting the full story, ;)Chris Gordon does a similar system and we cant argue with his results Billy. Spot on m8.

[Guest stb-]

Barley is brilliant Billy but I think birds need more until they are through the moult.omo. Not sure if the feathering gets dry and brittle with barley alone? I know Chris Gordon does it but he gives extras in other ways to compensate. Mine go on barley/wheat after the moult and look great.

Del i tried a section on pure barley through the moult a few years back

 

and although they looked ok near the time of racing there flights started to break and the tails were breaking off as they had went very brittle .

 

I like more in them for moult they certainly need more protein and sulphurs in the diet . I like to pick a bird up and bend its flight right round and it snapps back into place like a bow .

[Delboy]

Del i tried a section on pure barley through the moult a few years back

 

and although they looked ok near the time of racing there flights started to break and the tails were breaking off as they had went very brittle .

 

I like more in them for moult they certainly need more protein and sulphurs in the diet . I like to pick a bird up and bend its flight right round and it snapps back into place like a bow .

 

Aye Rab, that's why I would compensate with supplements and oils etc.

[peter pandy]

Only wintered once on Barley and ended up with brittle dull feathering. Never used the stuff again.

[neila]

Do fanciers over complicate the moult? Giving additives, and purchasing high priced so called moulting mixes? Reason why I asked a few years back a great national flyer told me he fed 100 barley through the moult, nothing else. Recently I read something from a legend in the sport that through the moult hell feed upto. 75% Barley, and 25% conditioning mix( red band type full of fatty seeds) , yet again with no additives only time he'll change the feed is before he pairs.

 

What are your thoughts, have you tried something similar? How was the feather quality? Did you notice anything different in the moult ?

 

 

I think fanciers do complicate it , mine are on 75% barley and 25% a mix of tk conditioner and a few beans

I feed barley first then the conditioner/ beans mix and then back to barley to they leave it , and that's it for the day . I know they bit of barley they leave will be cleared up within a few hours. This is the 2nd year I have done this and the birds moult very well on it and see to reason to change this. I do add a bit of Add herb to it though as I do all year , not sure if it does any good but my results improved when I started to use it so kind of stuck with it

I can get barley for £6 for 25kg so a good saving to

[Guest chad3646]

i dont understand anybody giving barley through the moult , you wont to give the best grains available to give them a good moult then after the moult you can give them this and that

[Wiley]

i dont understand anybody giving barley through the moult , you wont to give the best grains available to give them a good moult then after the moult you can give them this and that

 

What are the best grains available?