The Fight?/

[walterboswell59]

Thanks for the reply Walter was going to phone you to ask if it was ok to use your name as I know how your results have been with your L/B .

 

 

I know it's gone a bit off topic but the point I was trying to make was maybe a year or two with no young bird racing could help the sport

deff could not be any worse billy starve percy and let the guys build a team even not racing yb for one season just to see what impact it would have on percy is well worth a try but how many would agree

[andy Burgess]

deff could not be any worse billy starve percy and let the guys build a team even not racing yb for one season just to see what impact it would have on percy is well worth a try but how many would agree

have said before , majority would agree Wattie. yet few would actually do it .

[walterboswell59]

have said before , majority would agree Wattie. yet few would actually do it .

have to bring it up at all fed agms andy if our fed being the biggest did it it might force the rest to agree as they would get hammerd with a lot less birds in the sky m8 but would be better coming from the shu and rpra its worth a try for one season i have proved that 6 or 8 tosses the year they are born is enough then out every day to range all winter plenty early tosses as yearlings and there ready to compete up 250 miles or stop them after five races as i do and im left with as many not flown as yb as the ones that had every yb race if there good birds there good birds simple as that five or six races being hammerd by percy does not make them any better and who knows if percy cant feed his young on our yb maybe he will try to survive on other prey and give us a break

[BLACK W F]

country file BBC 1 JUST SHOWS YER WHAT THEY THINK OF PERCY

[geordie1234]

Even bringing young bird racing forward 4 or 5 weeks would have a big impact...maybe go midweek while the old birds are still racing

[tiger]

Even bringing young bird racing forward 4 or 5 weeks would have a big impact...maybe go midweek while the old birds are still racing

now that makes sence

[andy Burgess]

have to bring it up at all fed agms andy if our fed being the biggest did it it might force the rest to agree as they would get hammerd with a lot less birds in the sky m8 but would be better coming from the shu and rpra its worth a try for one season i have proved that 6 or 8 tosses the year they are born is enough then out every day to range all winter plenty early tosses as yearlings and there ready to compete up 250 miles or stop them after five races as i do and im left with as many not flown as yb as the ones that had every yb race if there good birds there good birds simple as that five or six races being hammerd by percy does not make them any better and who knows if percy cant feed his young on our yb maybe he will try to survive on other prey and give us a break

I think you have a great point ,yet I don't think it will ever happen Wattie .even I will be honest enough to admit if yb racing was cancelled for next year ,we just raced Old .the Old bird losses would mean stock at a minimum ,what to do then with perhaps only a few pairs left and having to wait another 12 months to race,i would probably shut up shop,and I think many would throw the towel in too. the feds , feed suppliers , studs and unions & feds especially small ones with a few clubs only could fold with lack of revenue .it could indeed bringer a faster ending to our hobby than the threat from above

[billt]

country file BBC 1 JUST SHOWS YER WHAT THEY THINK OF PERCY

 

Yes Alan they all love them and encourage them to nest in towns and many people watch the live cams and get emotionally involved with their youngsters, we haven't a hope in hell of ever getting a cull of Percy

[BLACK W F]

Yes Alan they all love them and encourage them to nest in towns and many people watch the live cams and get emotionally involved with their youngsters, we haven't a hope in hell of ever getting a cull of Percy

Exactly Bill but pity is half these silly buggers come on here and post all their crap every year do what you want and keep yer mouth shut only way forward

:emoticon-0140-rofl:

[Tony C]

Yes Alan they all love them and encourage them to nest in towns and many people watch the live cams and get emotionally involved with their youngsters, we haven't a hope in hell of ever getting a cull of Percy

 

We should target members of the RSPB as armchair blood sports enthusiasts, that might make them think twice.

[billt]

We should target members of the RSPB as armchair blood sports enthusiasts, that might make them think twice.

 

Think you might be onto something there Tony

[walterboswell59]

now that makes sence

yes but would mean early breeding and dbl training dont fancy my channel birds in training with raw young birds drag them all over the country

[walterboswell59]

I think you have a great point ,yet I don't think it will ever happen Wattie .even I will be honest enough to admit if yb racing was cancelled for next year ,we just raced Old .the Old bird losses would mean stock at a minimum ,what to do then with perhaps only a few pairs left and having to wait another 12 months to race,i would probably shut up shop,and I think many would throw the towel in too. the feds , feed suppliers , studs and unions & feds especially small ones with a few clubs only could fold with lack of revenue .it could indeed bringer a faster ending to our hobby than the threat from above

i know what your saying andy but how many are packing up the way it is we have to try somthing m8 just now we are dead in water

[geordie1234]

yes but would mean early breeding and dbl training dont fancy my channel birds in training with raw young birds drag them all over the country

Could even have less old bird races or a couple of mid week races to shorten the old bird season

[andy Burgess]

i know what your saying andy but how many are packing up the way it is we have to try somthing m8 just now we are dead in water

I don't think theres an easy answer Wattie .many of us have good ideas which would help ,but all need to pull in one direction to make any changes or impact really work. for that we need one voice or a leader of great stature ,or the very least enough confidence in our union to lead the way ?

[walterboswell59]

that would work george as andy said its getting the rest to agree and carry it through pal im willing to try anything that will help our yb losses been thinking about training half and racing half for the past few years if nothing changes thats what il be doing to date i have lost 30 yb racing and only two training and thats with three tosses every week its a no brainer for me 28 tosses lost two five races lost thirty if i dont get anymore back one of our problems is getting pigeon men to tell the truth about there losses the guys that are an hour behind the winner but got them all home brigade and are down the next week with a six bird basket lol every clubs got them

[walterboswell59]

I don't think theres an easy answer Wattie .many of us have good ideas which would help ,but all need to pull in one direction to make any changes or impact really work. for that we need one voice or a leader of great stature ,or the very least enough confidence in our union to lead the way ?

agree with you 100 percent andy at the moment there is no one of that stature m8

[yeboah]

Got to agree with walter's point regarding total figure of losses ,if a true figure were published of every lofts losses throughout the uk the figure would be mind blowing

I lost 17 from loft flying before training commenced ,I then took 2 weeks holidays to properly school the team which at that point was 103 perfectly healthy youngsters with loads of space in the loft which could have accommodated many more which is frightening for someone like myself who only used to purchase 30 rings for more years than I care to remember ,Had a terrible time with continued falcon strike's ,then our yb racing has been shocking for use of a better word ,I have now 34 in the loft many of which are outstanding ,Now no way were all the 86 which have failed to return been all rubbish ,I have worked hard with my stock over the years which I am sure many who have visited will vouch for ,These losses not only financially are shocking ,Club members with similar losses one who owns a fantastic team of pigeons has only had one at clock time the last 2 weeks ,our fed started first race with 2800 plus in the lorry this week 390 The vast majority Lost

I have seen the uncontrolled rise in falcons since I first got real trouble with them in 1991 that's 22 years of unchecked breeding multiply that one ,Find it unbelievable each week reading the pigeon magazine and scribe 's blaming every thing but the falcon ,I know for a fact that when I raced them in the seventies very very rarely lost a good pigeon and was always left with at least 24 out of 30 raced yb's .

[sarg]

Hi all, been browsing through the site and saw this post,

reminds me of how us bee keepers were a few years ago. Before 1992, all was well in bee keeping, except it was slowly dying out do to no take up of youngsters. Then vorroa(parasite) entered the UK, same as usual, us humans thinking the grass is greener on the other side, and import better bees from abroad. Not that they are, and brought in the parsite with them. Bees took a massive hit, a lot of the old boys gave up completely due to the extra effort/money required to look after bees. They then found a treatment that helped control the parasite, but again the ill informed or lazy/ money orientated keepers left the treatment in the hives all year, much like over treatment with anti biotics, the parasite became immune to the treatment. Such is the human desire to win/ make money all sense goes out the window. Varroa is here to stay now, we have to work with it, much the same as the perigrines. I personally cannot ever see perigrines being culled unless like badgers they transport a deadly disease. Chances of that happening must be remote. I believe your answers, like the bee keepers have done, lie in the youth and advertising. Bee keeping associations now run basic courses for every new member, with a basic exam at the end so feeding/ rearing/ diseases are all covered, and it costs around £50 each, money for the club. Surely this is obtainable in a club. We get into schools as often as we can, give a talk, and make it interesting as possible for kids. But I think the biggest thing that would help is getting to the county shows. There is always a fancy pigeon tent, why not get the association to get bill boards up, a small loft, clocks anything that will captivate the thousands that walk through the tents every day. Advertisement and getting the numbers. Back into the sport is surely the key, then with swollen numbers of good fanciers in the sport things may change in the future

 

Take this post as it comes, as I say, I am new to the site and as of yet don't have pigeons, just doing loads of research first

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Hi all, been browsing through the site and saw this post,

reminds me of how us bee keepers were a few years ago. Before 1992, all was well in bee keeping, except it was slowly dying out do to no take up of youngsters. Then vorroa(parasite) entered the UK, same as usual, us humans thinking the grass is greener on the other side, and import better bees from abroad. Not that they are, and brought in the parsite with them. Bees took a massive hit, a lot of the old boys gave up completely due to the extra effort/money required to look after bees. They then found a treatment that helped control the parasite, but again the ill informed or lazy/ money orientated keepers left the treatment in the hives all year, much like over treatment with anti biotics, the parasite became immune to the treatment. Such is the human desire to win/ make money all sense goes out the window. Varroa is here to stay now, we have to work with it, much the same as the perigrines. I personally cannot ever see perigrines being culled unless like badgers they transport a deadly disease. Chances of that happening must be remote. I believe your answers, like the bee keepers have done, lie in the youth and advertising. Bee keeping associations now run basic courses for every new member, with a basic exam at the end so feeding/ rearing/ diseases are all covered, and it costs around £50 each, money for the club. Surely this is obtainable in a club. We get into schools as often as we can, give a talk, and make it interesting as possible for kids. But I think the biggest thing that would help is getting to the county shows. There is always a fancy pigeon tent, why not get the association to get bill boards up, a small loft, clocks anything that will captivate the thousands that walk through the tents every day. Advertisement and getting the numbers. Back into the sport is surely the key, then with swollen numbers of good fanciers in the sport things may change in the future

 

Take this post as it comes, as I say, I am new to the site and as of yet don't have pigeons, just doing loads of research first

 

Good post.