Channel Racing

[geordie1234]

What can be done to improve long distance racing? I'm not talking about the transportation of the birds I am talking about the small birdages?

 

Would it be better to have less channel races maybe one or 2 main events having very strong birdages?

 

I am not taking anything away from any winner of any national as we all know it's very hard to win..

 

I'm not in the sport long enough to know the answers but I do know there is a lot of talk about falling birdages so this is basically just to see everyone else's thoughts on the matter..

 

PS THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANSPORTERS

[yeboah]

What can be done to improve long distance racing? I'm not talking about the transportation of the birds I am talking about the small birdages?

 

Would it be better to have less channel races maybe one or 2 main events having very strong birdages?

 

I am not taking anything away from any winner of any national as we all know it's very hard to win..

 

I'm not in the sport long enough to know the answers but I do know there is a lot of talk about falling birdages so this is basically just to see everyone else's thoughts on the matter..

 

PS THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANSPORTERS

Big birdages won't solve nothing George just loose more mate unc race with big birdages from France and have had some terrible returns races from 500mls nowadays birds are decimated long before they reach safety of home if they do not reach home on the day when racing fit they are simple prey when they become a homing pigeon hence the losses .

[Kyleakin Lofts]

What can be done to improve long distance racing? I'm not talking about the transportation of the birds I am talking about the small birdages?

 

Would it be better to have less channel races maybe one or 2 main events having very strong birdages?

 

I am not taking anything away from any winner of any national as we all know it's very hard to win..

 

I'm not in the sport long enough to know the answers but I do know there is a lot of talk about falling birdages so this is basically just to see everyone else's thoughts on the matter..

 

PS THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANSPORTERS

 

Difficult question George. Like you, I am new to the sport, but I would say that, given the fresh outlook I have, the sport needs totally re-vamped and I very much doubt it will ever happen. Too many fanciers are happy to trundle along the way it has always been.

I think that the sport should be organised under the umbrella of the Confederation. They should administer the sport and control all racing. Ring registration should be organised by the existing Unions. The National Clubs, of which there should only be 4, organise National racing into their areas and these should be from overseas only. Combines or Amalgamations should organise middle distance racing into their own areas and these should be inland races. Federations should organise the sprint racing which could be such that they race midweek as well as at weekends. More co-operation is required between individual organisations and fanciers and this continual separation attitude must go. Now that would be Utopia.

In the short term, if less distance races were available, you would think that more pigeons would be sent to them rather than teams being split to cover all the distance races. I do believe though that some fanciers are successful enough to re-send pigeons that have completed distance races and these birds go more than once a season.

[OLDYELLOW]

The biggest problem is this there's too much clashing over the water and not enough communication with our continental friends , so basically a lack of organisations been organised and aware of what's happening when liberating Too many bodies in UK time we all got together and got better organised imo .

[geordie1234]

There has been bad losses years and years ago what I was really meaning how can we get either more doos to the races or more fanciers to send

 

Difficult question George. Like you, I am new to the sport, but I would say that, given the fresh outlook I have, the sport needs totally re-vamped and I very much doubt it will ever happen. Too many fanciers are happy to trundle along the way it has always been.

I think that the sport should be organised under the umbrella of the Confederation. They should administer the sport and control all racing. Ring registration should be organised by the existing Unions. The National Clubs, of which there should only be 4, organise National racing into their areas and these should be from overseas only. Combines or Amalgamations should organise middle distance racing into their own areas and these should be inland races. Federations should organise the sprint racing which could be such that they race midweek as well as at weekends. More co-operation is required between individual organisations and fanciers and this continual separation attitude must go. Now that would be Utopia.

In the short term, if less distance races were available, you would think that more pigeons would be sent to them rather than teams being split to cover all the distance races. I do believe though that some fanciers are successful enough to re-send pigeons that have completed distance races and these birds go more than once a season.

Good post

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

What can be done to improve long distance racing? I'm not talking about the transportation of the birds I am talking about the small birdages?

 

Would it be better to have less channel races maybe one or 2 main events having very strong birdages?

 

I am not taking anything away from any winner of any national as we all know it's very hard to win..

 

I'm not in the sport long enough to know the answers but I do know there is a lot of talk about falling birdages so this is basically just to see everyone else's thoughts on the matter..

 

PS THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRANSPORTERS

Spread out the 4 channel races over 5-6 weeks instead of 3 weeks, added to this you could encourage fanciers to keep more long distance blood instead of sprint/middle distance doos that they are presently winning with from Newbury and Maidstone, the way to do this is to make it £6.00 per pigeon for the inland races and £2.00 per pigeon for the channel races. Yes its a little hastie, but too many fanciers want a easy SNFC ticket from the inland races instead of what the club was formed for (the channel).

It was pointed out on another thread a couple of nights ago that there isn't the same dept of quality that was around 20 years ago, and i have to agree, this down to the so called stepping stone of having inland nationals which is being polluted by sprint doos.

 

Rant over, though channel races over a 5-6 week period is a must.

[budgie]

Maidstone,Ypres,Rennes and Nantes with the Young Bird National.

[Delboy]

Maidstone,Ypres,Rennes and Nantes with the Young Bird National.

 

Ypres, Reims, Tours then Ypres

[Henrik]

You could have Maidstone instead of Newbury, Ypres where Maidstone is, Le Mans, Tours, Clermont with no duplications, Either in the National, or in the dookit

[dkj]

Maidstone,Ypres,Rennes and Nantes with the Young Bird National.

 

 

ypres/maidstone/reims/tours/ clermont/ and y/b/nat. ypres replacing newbury

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

14th June - Ypres (no yearlings permitted)

 

4th July - Alencon

 

11th July - Tours/longest race (no yearlings permitted)

11th July - Maidstone Yearling National (no old birds)

 

18th July - Clermont

 

13th Sept - Leicester young bird national

 

 

11th of July yearlings will have gained plenty of experienced from feds/amalgamations and will deal with a liberation from all corners of Scotland far better than they will on the 14th June.

 

Depending on Ypres race, fanciers will then be able to double birds back to the Gold cup race, Tours or Clermont.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Ypres, Reims, Arras and Bourges. All Eastern France, except the Belgian one. Two shorter races for beginners around 400 miles, the 500 miler and the long one. Gold Cup from Bourges, the pinnacle. Ypres or Arras for duplication.

[Delboy]

14th June - Ypres (no yearlings permitted)

 

4th July - Alencon

 

11th July - Tours/longest race (no yearlings permitted)

11th July - Maidstone Yearling National (no old birds)

 

18th July - Clermont

 

13th Sept - Leicester young bird national

 

 

11th of July yearlings will have gained plenty of experienced from feds/amalgamations and will deal with a liberation from all corners of Scotland far better than they will on the 14th June.

 

Depending on Ypres race, fanciers will then be able to double birds back to the Gold cup race, Tours or Clermont.

ill second it if you change the Gold cup to Reims

[alec guinness]

First channel race should always be the gold cup Reims/alencon, 2014 is the 4th July, and first national from the coast the third week in June.maidstone/ portsmouth etc,partick-thistle-Crest: IMO

[Jumbo]

14th June - Ypres (no yearlings permitted)

 

4th July - Alencon

 

11th July - Tours/longest race (no yearlings permitted)

11th July - Maidstone Yearling National (no old birds)

 

18th July - Clermont

 

13th Sept - Leicester young bird national

 

 

11th of July yearlings will have gained plenty of experienced from feds/amalgamations and will deal with a liberation from all corners of Scotland far better than they will on the 14th June.

 

Depending on Ypres race, fanciers will then be able to double birds back to the Gold cup race, Tours or Clermont.

 

Good enough programme Gareth , only thing is Newbury (400 mile ) was a little early for us in the north section so Ypres at ( 490 ish ) would be a little better a couple of weeks later. OMO .

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Good enough programme Gareth , only thing is Newbury (400 mile ) was a little early for us in the north section so Ypres at ( 490 ish ) would be a little better a couple of weeks later. OMO .

Understand what you are saying, but this will give members a chance to send birds back to the gold cup, and dont forget that not very long ago the central belt where flying 500 miles from Sartilly on the second weekend in June, the boys in the north were flying 580 miles from Sartilly.

[dkj]

First channel race should always be the gold cup Reims/alencon, 2014 is the 4th July, and first national from the coast the third week in June.maidstone/ portsmouth etc,partick-thistle-Crest: IMO

 

 

7th june ypres

 

21st june maidstone

 

27th june reims

 

5th july tours

 

18th july clermont

 

13th sept peterbough

[Delboy]

7th june ypres

 

21st june maidstone

 

27th june reims

 

5th july tours

 

18th july clermont

 

13th sept peterbough

 

Not bad Davy, i could buy into that

[JohnQuinn]

Ypres, Reims, Tours then Ypres

 

I would second you on this one Derek. I've looked through the thread carefully and despite the title being "long distance racing" most others include inland national's, not your's Kyleakin, quite liked your 4 channel races too , but aye i'll second your proposal Derek.

[cemetary]

I would second you on this one Derek. I've looked through the thread carefully and despite the title being "long distance racing" most others include inland national's, not your's Kyleakin, quite liked your 4 channel races too , but aye i'll second your proposal Derek.

 

 

You wont have the raceing if you cant get them through as YBS.

[JohnQuinn]

You wont have the raceing if you cant get them through as YBS.

 

Am only a couple down from 7 tosses Cem, on the transporter for the first time today and all present and correct. But i know hwere yer coming from and it widnae bother me one bit going without a couple of Yb season's.

 

Here's something that crosses ma mind often, don't know about where you live, but we are inundated with Wood Pigeons around here, how can they be doing so well and our doos are not??

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Am only a couple down from 7 tosses Cem, on the transporter for the first time today and all present and correct. But i know hwere yer coming from and it widnae bother me one bit going without a couple of Yb season's.

 

Here's something that crosses ma mind often, don't know about where you live, but we are inundated with Wood Pigeons around here, how can they be doing so well and our doos are not??

 

Wood pigeons don't fly the same as racers. They spend their time in the trees, flying to and from the trees and on the ground. They are probably not as attractive a prospect for the peregrines, sparrowhawks are maybe a bit small, so goshawks would be their problem.

[cemetary]

Am only a couple down from 7 tosses Cem, on the transporter for the first time today and all present and correct. But i know hwere yer coming from and it widnae bother me one bit going without a couple of Yb season's.

 

Here's something that crosses ma mind often, don't know about where you live, but we are inundated with Wood Pigeons around here, how can they be doing so well and our doos are not??

 

 

John, if the YBS cant make it through the yb stage, how on hell are the fanciers going to get ybs onto yearlings, onto the channel, some will get them through, but a lot wont, i think over the next couple of years, a big decline in the doo raceing, too many problems, and BOP being the main one of them IMO.

[JohnQuinn]

Wood pigeons don't fly the same as racers. They spend their time in the trees, flying to and from the trees and on the ground. They are probably not as attractive a prospect for the peregrines, sparrowhawks are maybe a bit small, so goshawks would be their problem.

 

They are going back and forth from a wood about a mile north of me and head fror the Clyde Valley, about 3 miles south, all day long, am talking batches of up to 12 in them. Never stops all summer and now they are nesting in garden conifer trees, had a pair in the garden behind mine this year, know they had a single Yb but it seemed to be missing quite quickly after weaning. I have seen a very odd one with secondaries or tail feathers out but very very few.

[robbiedoo.]

Don't know why there is so many fanciers obsessed with Ypres when it's not even 500 mile to them and they want long distance racing :unsure: