SNFC Maidstone

[degi]

Personally i think they should have went through the basket list and asked the members with the birds in them if they wanted to withdraw there birds just incase it was harmful , to carry on and send them without members being given the choice is a fekn disgrace . I hope all the birds are ok and this bloody incompetance never ever happens again .

I believe most of the members who!s birds were in those baskets were away home by the time,

it was discoverd

[kingbilly 1]

Tam the guys were not given the option. which was wrong.

frank you where not thare and if thay where that botherd thay could have said i whant my birds out the baskets i was thare and not oneced did i her any one ask if thay could have thare birds back its every ones options if thare no happy with thare doos in the basket to ask for them 2 be removed and then could have pout a letter of complant in but no its o thay should be ok and whe could win the race and if wee dont go wee will be out the fed averges and club averges its the lads who never got the chance who left before the birds got the fertliser who should be up in arms no all the dirt kickers and the doo gooders who is only interested in the welfare of the doos my a r s thares more pep who love to see the SNFC get a bad press than thare is pro SNFC thats facts so if you dont send or go your ipinon is deed to me lol

[geordie1234]

frank you where not thare and if thay where that botherd thay could have said i whant my birds out the baskets i was thare and not oneced did i her any one ask if thay could have thare birds back its every ones options if thare no happy with thare doos in the basket to ask for them 2 be removed and then could have pout a letter of complant in but no its o thay should be ok and whe could win the race and if wee dont go wee will be out the fed averges and club averges its the lads who never got the chance who left before the birds got the fertliser who should be up in arms no all the dirt kickers and the doo gooders who is only interested in the welfare of the doos my a r s thares more pep who love to see the SNFC get a bad press than thare is pro SNFC thats facts so if you dont send or go your ipinon is deed to me lol

 

pmsl

[kingbilly 1]

It has to be the guys in charge they hold all responsibility do they not?? But yes it was an accident but it's an accident that should not have happened but someone will always be held accountable in any walk of life.

 

I do think the snfc has now done the best it can do regarding vets etc but if having the choice at the marking I would have taking my doos home

 

atb

your good with the key pad do you not no how your toung works lol

[geordie1234]

your good with the key pad do you not no how your toung works lol

Yes tam and your the exact opposite good wae yer tongue terrible wae a key board lol

[peter2010]

Yes tam and your the exact opposite good wae yer tounge terrible wae a key board lol

Pmsl

[degi]

The oil based substance? was a fine layer stuck to the inside of the 5 gallon drum.

Which MISTAKENLY got filled with water, as we all Know oil is lighter than water,

So once poured into drinkers oil will float to top so when birds take a drink there

probally drinking very little if any oil? But wattles and head will get some on them.

The water to oil Ratio is in far greater favour of the water. The worse possibility

is for any bird that took a drink during the mixture getting poured or before settlement.

 

MY TAKE ON IT

 

 

Has anybody ever used garlic oil, medicated creosote or similar, wattles go dirty on night

of administration next day clear and pink.

[peter2010]

End of the day doos shouldn't be marked in a green house never mind one way all that stuff lying about people wouldn't be happy if their clubs were lying like that on a marking night

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Yes tam and your the exact opposite good wae yer tounge terrible wae a key board lol

good one George

[degi]

End of the day doos shouldn't be marked in a green house never mind one way all that stuff lying about people wouldn't be happy if their clubs were lying like that on a marking night

Agree Totally

[Delboy]

Yes tam and your the exact opposite good wae yer tounge terrible wae a key board lol

 

 

pmsl spellcheck fae Bonkle lol, or is it boknel lol.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Yes tam and your the exact opposite good wae yer tounge terrible wae a key board lol

 

 

you can talk tongue :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[geordie1234]

you can talk tongue :emoticon-0140-rofl:

Typo pmsl

[ForestForever74]

Any idea of the section E birdage for Maidstone? We sent two hopefuls but through at Bo'ness.

[bullcock]

Lets look at the Fact as they are, I was standing right at the baskets when this all came to light,

The marking station continued to mark for about 5 minutes while they tried to understand the issue.

Once they had fully understood the situation there actions are as follows.

1 Stop Marking, Correct decision? 100%

2 Removed all drinkers and replaced with new drinkers and fresh water, Correct decision? 100%

3 Sealed all baskets, Correct decision? 100%

4 Contacted the President and requested his presence at the marking station, Correct decision? 100%

5 Committee agreed to call a vet that would be out within the hour, Correct decision? 100%

6 All baskets removed and quarantined waiting on the vet,Correct decision? 100%

At this Point I would like to make a few points.

1 The SNFC committee have been intrusted by us to look after the welfare of our birds and to do everything in their power to execute the agreed race program.

2 The easy decision would have been to cancel the race, but it is the duty of the committee to exhaust every avenue to keep the race on before making such a decision.

3 The Fact that the last option is to cancel the race, means therefore that they must act as though the race is going ahead until otherwise, so the fact is for race security these birds could not be returned to their owners until after the race, and they would need to be housed and looked after in a secure place, and taking them to the race point on the transporter will keep them secure and also still give the option to liberate if this is the final decision.

4 It is clear that the vet who saw the bird on marking night must have gave a positive outcome, and a second vet 24 hours later will give the Committee the confidence to make the right decision on the day.

 

So right this minute the race is still an option, all birds have a chance of competing and they still have the option to pull the affected baskets if necessary.

 

I personally think we are at the best possible scenario to get a positive out of this very hard situation, and although it is very disappointing this has happened the committee have done the very best they could.

I am sure it will be top of the agenda at the next committee meeting to ensure this doesn't happen again and all members can have their say at the AGM, but until then I would like to give the Committee my support and hope most do, and hope it never happens again.

I would like to make one final point, My birds were NOT in the affected baskets but this was by chance, I can't help it if they were or weren't, I would like to wish all competing fanciers all the very best for this race.

 

 

yes there were cock baskets at the Lanarkshire marking station with Diesel in the water!

[Guest chad3646]

Lets look at the Fact as they are, I was standing right at the baskets when this all came to light,

The marking station continued to mark for about 5 minutes while they tried to understand the issue.

Once they had fully understood the situation there actions are as follows.

1 Stop Marking, Correct decision? 100%

2 Removed all drinkers and replaced with new drinkers and fresh water, Correct decision? 100%

3 Sealed all baskets, Correct decision? 100%

4 Contacted the President and requested his presence at the marking station, Correct decision? 100%

5 Committee agreed to call a vet that would be out within the hour, Correct decision? 100%

6 All baskets removed and quarantined waiting on the vet,Correct decision? 100%

At this Point I would like to make a few points.

1 The SNFC committee have been intrusted by us to look after the welfare of our birds and to do everything in their power to execute the agreed race program.

2 The easy decision would have been to cancel the race, but it is the duty of the committee to exhaust every avenue to keep the race on before making such a decision.

3 The Fact that the last option is to cancel the race, means therefore that they must act as though the race is going ahead until otherwise, so the fact is for race security these birds could not be returned to their owners until after the race, and they would need to be housed and looked after in a secure place, and taking them to the race point on the transporter will keep them secure and also still give the option to liberate if this is the final decision.

4 It is clear that the vet who saw the bird on marking night must have gave a positive outcome, and a second vet 24 hours later will give the Committee the confidence to make the right decision on the day.

 

So right this minute the race is still an option, all birds have a chance of competing and they still have the option to pull the affected baskets if necessary.

 

I personally think we are at the best possible scenario to get a positive out of this very hard situation, and although it is very disappointing this has happened the committee have done the very best they could.

I am sure it will be top of the agenda at the next committee meeting to ensure this doesn't happen again and all members can have their say at the AGM, but until then I would like to give the Committee my support and hope most do, and hope it never happens again.

I would like to make one final point, My birds were NOT in the affected baskets but this was by chance, I can't help it if they were or weren't, I would like to wish all competing fanciers all the very best for this race.

 

 

yes there were cock baskets at the Lanarkshire marking station with Diesel in the water!

has it been confirmed that it was DIESEL

[bigjamie]

when these transporters are at there pick up point water should be on the transporter ready for birds being loaded on to it instead of some poor guy rushing to help and makes a mistake filling a container up to help out this poor guys birds were among the baskets involved how do you think he must be feeling he will be a guy that does non stop work to help out aswell

[bullcock]

has it been confirmed that it was DIESEL

I was their and I know what Diesel smells like, 99% sure.

[bullcock]

when these transporters are at there pick up point water should be on the transporter ready for birds being loaded on to it instead of some poor guy rushing to help and makes a mistake filling a container up to help out this poor guys birds were among the baskets involved how do you think he must be feeling he will be a guy that does non stop work to help out aswell

The transport wasn't the issue it was drinkers in the actual marking station,the guys at the making station work very hard and accept any help they can get, all the moaners should put their names forward next time to sit their from 16:00 to dark oclock.

[peter pandy]

As one who was at Newhouse at the time of the incident I can only reiterate that it was a genuine accident and having seen the contents of the 5 gallon drum it was contaminated with paraffin. A sample was poured from the drum outside onto concrete where the water evaporated leaving a slick suggesting their was paraffin inside the drum in quantity and not as suggested residue on the inside of the drum.

The 26 baskets that were laid out in front of the transporter I could only say there inmates looked in the best of health with no vomiting birds and I never witnessed any with oily faces.

The handlers were magnificent in their endeavours to rectify the problem bearing in mind this situation has never occurred before and their was no precedent to work with.

My own personal view had my birds been involved would have been on the same lines as John Quinn " Lanarkshire President " whose birds were amongst the 26 baskets and he was happy enough to proceed.

[Guest bigda]

Lets look at the Fact as they are, I was standing right at the baskets when this all came to light,

The marking station continued to mark for about 5 minutes while they tried to understand the issue.

Once they had fully understood the situation there actions are as follows.

1 Stop Marking, Correct decision? 100%

2 Removed all drinkers and replaced with new drinkers and fresh water, Correct decision? 100%

3 Sealed all baskets, Correct decision? 100%

4 Contacted the President and requested his presence at the marking station, Correct decision? 100%

5 Committee agreed to call a vet that would be out within the hour, Correct decision? 100%

6 All baskets removed and quarantined waiting on the vet,Correct decision? 100%

At this Point I would like to make a few points.

1 The SNFC committee have been intrusted by us to look after the welfare of our birds and to do everything in their power to execute the agreed race program.

2 The easy decision would have been to cancel the race, but it is the duty of the committee to exhaust every avenue to keep the race on before making such a decision.

3 The Fact that the last option is to cancel the race, means therefore that they must act as though the race is going ahead until otherwise, so the fact is for race security these birds could not be returned to their owners until after the race, and they would need to be housed and looked after in a secure place, and taking them to the race point on the transporter will keep them secure and also still give the option to liberate if this is the final decision.

4 It is clear that the vet who saw the bird on marking night must have gave a positive outcome, and a second vet 24 hours later will give the Committee the confidence to make the right decision on the day.

 

So right this minute the race is still an option, all birds have a chance of competing and they still have the option to pull the affected baskets if necessary.

 

I personally think we are at the best possible scenario to get a positive out of this very hard situation, and although it is very disappointing this has happened the committee have done the very best they could.

I am sure it will be top of the agenda at the next committee meeting to ensure this doesn't happen again and all members can have their say at the AGM, but until then I would like to give the Committee my support and hope most do, and hope it never happens again.

I would like to make one final point, My birds were NOT in the affected baskets but this was by chance, I can't help it if they were or weren't, I would like to wish all competing fanciers all the very best for this race.

 

 

yes there were cock baskets at the Lanarkshire marking station with Diesel in the water!

 

you then come to the scenario, if the guys that take the birds out of the race or given the chance to, what if the birds are never the same again, be it respiratory what happens to those guys. And who pays for there birds loss or loss of performance through no fault of theirs, this is a lot more trickier than you think, to be deprived of a race or to be race ruined, will be the biggest hurdle, the national will face, if there is a £10,000 bird in there and it can not race again, what then for him, should it be if he cant race, no one races, this week also. some will not like that as a answer, but is it fair for all i ask

[peter pandy]

I was their and I know what Diesel smells like, 99% sure.

As this was a market garden any diesel on the premises would have been agricultural and red dye would have been observed.

[naedoos]

you then come to the scenario, if the guys that take the birds out of the race or given the chance to, what if the birds are never the same again, be it respiratory what happens to those guys. And who pays for there birds loss or loss of performance through no fault of theirs, this is a lot more trickier than you think, to be deprived of a race or to be race ruined, will be the biggest hurdle, the national will face, if there is a £10,000 bird in there and it can not race again, what then for him, should it be if he cant race, no one races, this week also. some will not like that as a answer, but is it fair for all i ask

 

 

If there was a £10,000 doo in Lanarkshire am sure it widnae see the ootside world again

[novo10]

you then come to the scenario, if the guys that take the birds out of the race or given the chance to, what if the birds are never the same again, be it respiratory what happens to those guys. And who pays for there birds loss or loss of performance through no fault of theirs, this is a lot more trickier than you think, to be deprived of a race or to be race ruined, will be the biggest hurdle, the national will face, if there is a £10,000 bird in there and it can not race again, what then for him, should it be if he cant race, no one races, this week also. some will not like that as a answer, but is it fair for all i ask

You dont even go to the national so it's *expletive removed* all to do was you our pigeons have drank worse than that and made it home it shouldn't have happened but the birds will be ok imo

[Guest stb-]

I was their and I know what Diesel smells like, 99% sure.

thats nonsence , just because somthing has a heavy oil smell ie deisel

 

dosent mean its deisel . Having done damp proofing wet rot dry rot woodworm mould moss weed killer etc some of that is oil based and some smells just like deisel or parrafin but its 100 times more deadly as the oil is the base the chemicals are carried in .

 

Maby a test of the drum would let folk know what it actually was as i dont think a film of deisel in the water will do much harm , but fungacide or weed killers is a different story . Even to ask the garden center owner or staff what was previously in the drum might put minds at rest

Edited June 21, 2013 by stb-