Pigeon Health Questions For Walter

[walterboswell59]

Mr Boswell your making up for lost time glad you've found basics interesting.

Walter would you wear different footwear in the young birds loft so not to contaminate the old birds?

i didnt frank and after all my good work i jagged six lb a week be fore the first yb race thought they would ok in section there self and kept them in for 14 days i must have carried it on feet and clothes my yb team had it for the first three yb races and flew like coos it went through every section of my loft then passed i won the 4 th race and davy beat me into 2nd in the last one ill no do that again so have to be super careful any yb that are not catching the racing dont jag till racings finnished

[walterboswell59]

great read walter

thankyou chad hope it does some good and gets rid of ybs and adenovirus if we all go back to jagging the way we used to all at the same time or no one jags durring racing we might beat it and not losing as many birds

[R.A.M.C.63]

Great thread Walter, lot of answers in ur post, lik stb i used to jag everything end of o/b season, but since most feds hav 1 2 weeks between o/b y/b seasons this would mean that y/bs just been jagged would be sh**,n androviris or pmv all over transporter, witch would exsplain lot,

[Delboy]

Definately food for thought Walter, well done m8.

[buster151]

another brilliant read thank you :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[MIK]

Good stuff Walter ...thanks ...me head is working over time and have been going through me books.

 

a question if ye dont mind answering...When ye jagged everything in March, what did you do with anything bred after that or did you take no latebreds last year?

 

cheers

Mick

[walterboswell59]

another brilliant read thank you :emoticon-0137-clapping:

thanks m8 nice to know you enjoyd it makes it worth doing when i hear that lets hope it helps and not just forgoten about we have to change the way we vaccinate we are causing this problem our selves

[walterboswell59]

Good stuff Walter ...thanks ...me head is working over time and have been going through me books.

 

a question if ye dont mind answering...When ye jagged everything in March, what did you do with anything bred after that or did you take no latebreds last year?

 

cheers

Mick

mick read my reply to frank 123 m8 it ans your question till a get a wee cuppa pal

[MIK]

mick read my reply to frank 123 m8 it ans your question till a get a wee cuppa pal

 

Thanks Walter, we are always learning and through your observations eyes will have opened and heads will have turned. All for the better of course.

 

Mick

[walterboswell59]

Thanks Walter, we are always learning and through your observations eyes will have opened and heads will have turned. All for the better of course.

 

Mick

hope so mick

[aye ready]

great read this walter will probably need to read thru it a few times to fully understand it

 

martin

[walterboswell59]

now i know what i know thats the way we should all be doing it m8 when the vaccine 1st came out thats the way it was done everyone in your club was jagged at more or less the same time every yearand i forgot to say there was no ybs at all

[aye ready]

so from what i can understand walter young birds should be jagged as early as poss,preferably before they start perching therefore isolation for 14 days shouldn't be a problem and any subsequent rounds 2nd 3rd or pigeons bought in should be jagged and then kept isolated in a seperate section till their 14 days isolation period is over before adding into the main loft with the rest of the previously jagged young birds,but obviously that doesn't stop fanciers from jagging at different times.

[walterboswell59]

so from what i can understand walter young birds should be jagged as early as poss,preferably before they start perching therefore isolation for 14 days shouldn't be a problem and any subsequent rounds 2nd 3rd or pigeons bought in should be jagged and then kept isolated in a seperate section till their 14 days isolation period is over before adding into the main loft with the rest of the previously jagged young birds,but obviously that doesn't stop fanciers from jagging at different times.

the idea m8 is for no one to be jagging birds a month before the racing starts so the virus has run its course before people start training and to let it run through your own loft and your birds have time to recover from it and wait till you have the majority of your yb but no later than two weeks before you put them in a training van or race and jag any ybs that are old enough a long with your old birds i have jagged them at 10 days old in the nest to

[walterboswell59]

What a marvelous read Walter and am sure is appreciated by all who have read so far however their is always another side to the coin regarding vaccination.

My own experience has enabled my flock to go through life without contracting YBS or any other disease except on a couple of occasions which I will not delve into on this post.

The Vaccine ; I stick the needle into the bottle, attach the injector and draw up the quantity of vaccine required for 4 birds, remove the injector from the needle left in the bottle of vaccine and attach new needle, Vaccinate 4 pigeons, remove needle from empty injector and fit onto needle attached into vaccine and withdraw enough for 4 again, repeat untill all birds are vaccinated. Withdraw needle from bottle and put in fridge till next time.

I will do my Young Birds on leaving the nest at about 25 days taking 3 rounds with all going through the same procedure over a couple of months from the same bottle of vaccine.

My old birds are vaccinated after the last old bird race, usually from the same bottle of vaccine opened 4 months previously and if we look closely I have in all probability been doing what you reccommend with the exception of not disposing of left over vaccine.

Veterinary surgeon reccommended this practise of vaccine usage.

im not judgeing the way its done peter only that no one should jag when training starts till old birds finnish and same with ybs or the cycle starts all over again and infects us all m8

[walterboswell59]

Makes it very hard for One Loft Races that take in birds that have been Vaccinated at all different times they would have to take all the birds in not Vaccinated and do them altogether when all the entrants are in,it would have to be done the same way at everybodys loft all birds Old and Young vaccinated on the same day and any more that you bring in after that would have to have been vaccinated at least 14days prior to that or vaccinated and kept away from your loft for 14 days.

if remember right a one loft was wiped out because of it a few years ago and i allso think this was what happen in wales as all th simtoms are the same m8 wonder what the welsh lads will think of my post

[walterboswell59]

superb,thanks walter

glad you like it thanks m8

[walterboswell59]

hi guys i can see by som e of the reactions out there lots of you would not be happy to hear me say jagging birds in or from the nest could be a problem revalidity of life span of vaccine once bottle is opened but as i did this myself and still got problems with ybs i thought i should make you aware of it incase you were getting an odd yb sick and wondered why well that could be the reason but that hurts no one but youselve if im correct because by by jagging your ybs every few weeks or months you are continully exposing your birds to the virus which is up to you what is much more important is that no one vaccinates any birds from two weeks before your vaccinated birds or birds that have been near vaccinated birds go in a training van or race as they are still carrying the virus which affects everyone your birds come into contact with and the chain reaction starts all over again what your old birds are getting from being in contact with vaccinated yb is adenovirus 2 yb get adenovirus 1 there is no cure for any of them the no 2 virus is not a killer your old birds go off form and are listliss dont want fly and when they do fly round loft or train they sometimes pant or gape as it affects there respitory system they struggle to get a breath when asked to do any work hence the heavy losses when racing or hard training stop them or you will lose them 2 to 3 weeks and they come threw it on there own like humans its worse in some than others some handle it and recover fast some just cant handle it and dont even want to come out the loft just to go back to vaccination before i finnish off about it being safer to only jag once this is the way i look at it if i go to work every day and one day the guy next to me has the cold im working with him all day there is a good chance i get it and after a few days or week we will both get better and be cold free the rest of the year but if the boss keeps changing the guy i work with with guys who have the cold im going to keep getting it all year same with continul jagging not rocket science bye the noo

[AlphaAl]

Great read walter, very interesting, you really have my brain working overtime now on what to do. As I'm am new to racing sport I use to just do all my show birds in one go a few weeks before the yb show & never had to think about putting vaccine back in fridge, cause I would use it all or dispose of what was left, cause any birds that were bred after that would not be going to a show till the next year, so they wouldn't be done till then cause they would be mixing with anyones birds & I never bought in ybs so never had to worry. But now its a diff story cause I'm just starting out so I need to buy in some ybs so I'll have enough to compete with. Decisions decisions....

[Ian McKay]

Hi Walter

 

I sent an e-mail to the Manufacturer not a supplier here is the reply

 

 

 

Dear Ian

 

Thank you for your email regarding the use of Colombovacâ„¢ PMV. The data sheet states:

 

Use entire contents of vial once opened.

 

Therefore, in the absence of any further data the advice would be to use the entire contents of the vial immediately once opened, ideally within 1 hour. Use of the vaccine after the vial has been opened for more than 1 hour, certainly more than 2 hours, will likely compromise the efficacy of the vaccine.

 

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[walterboswell59]

thankyou ian for doingthat nobilis gave me the same information i do not make statements without checking my facts 1st and i dont lie every thing i have said here was learned by trial and error as for the adnovirus no 2 that the old birdsget from vaccinated young birds that was confirm to me by two dutch vets i spoke to on pipa this can be checked to i know the open vaccine bottle is a shock to all who do it but it had to be said as i see it as part of a very widespread misunderstanding on the part of the fancy as there yb may not be getting any protection by vaccinating this way and some guys dont like to admit they were wrong even if its helping them theres no shame in being wrong i was wrong my self once lol

[andy Burgess]

heres another question Walter , on the same subject ( i wish i had asked you around Christmas time) .we are around 5 weeks away from OldBird racing ,not jagged yet ,and second round youngsters wont hatch until first 2 weeks in April ,what do i do to avoid problems ?? cheers , andy.

[walterboswell59]

heres another question Walter , on the same subject ( i wish i had asked you around Christmas time) .we are around 5 weeks away from OldBird racing ,not jagged yet ,and second round youngsters wont hatch until first 2 weeks in April ,what do i do to avoid problems ?? cheers , andy.

id jag my old birds sap and forget about yb till two weeks before you start training them for this year andy m8 and set out aplan for next year

[andy Burgess]

id jag my old birds sap and forget about yb till two weeks before you start training them for this year andy m8 and set out aplan for next year

so for this year ive missed the boat Walter ??

[walterboswell59]

so for this year ive missed the boat Walter ??

not really andy its just that you dont want to be jagging yb when ob are still racing so depens if your going to all the national races if you are dont let the yb out for a week or two after vaccinating them so there not near the old birds and change your shoes between lofts or the wee plastic pull overs so you dont carry it on you