Roland

Of course.

Well done Del boy. Were they all well tossed? Another thought of not so long ago. Allotment! One can seen the reason why many , and likewise close club lofts, on manual didn't like the introduction of the E.T. timer. fact is that manual timers birds would have been 17 seconds apart! Now on a fast race, say 1760 ypm, a bird could be a quarter of a mile behind and still pinch second spot beat a manual timers second clocked in bird EVEN if 6-9 dropped together. that's why it was brought in via the back door. Good bad or indifferent. overall though, the advantages, I feel, far out score the reason for E.T. timer not to be brought into play. It is an improvement, I believe to the sport. Besides another reason it could be used to help persuade a person to take up this sport. J.M.O.

Used to be a 65 miler 1st week, then a 95 miler next. Repeated. THis was in the days when youngsters flew the whole programme up to nearly 300 miles ... Yes an Elgin or Perth in many seasons. My view is 'Fine' because it gives happy feel to the fancier and his thoughts of caring and looking after his pigeons. That has to be number one.

So, no further thoughts, let alone action. Just a great whinge and moan next time regards 'What I would do' eh! Some I have respect in that regard. Cliftonlad wears his heart on his sleeve, that's for sure. I believe he would give as he says. Feel, in younger days, he was more than capable too. I think so, and I even appreciated how he went for me. Indeed if we ever meet, I will let him pay for the drinks and getting me 'Nissed as a Pewt. Ryan also. I had a flea in the ear from him privately, which again, I appreciated. So those two, as far as I am concerned are very honest and straight forward. Yes, likewise the same as another odd few! However, it's no more than 'piddling over the bridge' and letting the water take it away I fear. indeed for far too many will spout, but would not rout eh! I was asked as to what I would do! I gave one r two answers. But the last one would be the most effective. I was asking why the Mentally challenged one get away with the despicable and horrid actions time after time again, whereas anyone upsetting a B.O.P. faces up to £10.000 or prison! Now Walt, that is, the future! this is today! Let 'powers to be' who crave and take on board any public role they can garnish a footing! Soon, if we made a noise, many would fly under a banner. But of course, that in this regards will never be, because even the first step will never be took!

Yes 100% I sadly agree. Owen, a great fancier, sadly no longer with us, went early in morning 10 miles. Of course used a valley as a pigeon will always use one if available - Had good returns regards just beating Percy home. 29 miles eh Delboy. Or 3 times a mile around the loft per mile! I heard tale often and laughed 'My birds are burning up the skies 2 hours and more'! Think they would be better of resting and saving that energy for the coming week - end race. Mine wouldn't be out after Wednesday if that was the case. Then the best result I every had was just letting out Sat Morning or in a race. As I often say, Many relate to the birds as Human and what they would do and like! J.M.O.

Remember, not so long ago Del Boy when you toyed/ tried a little in regards no training and just sending. If I remember correct, your results were every bit as good. Yes of course hard to balance. But then , why do we need to hammer the birds up the road? Certainly not to teach them the way home. Maybe to bring on the last spot of fitness if circumstances mean it was to bew done. Years ago the program from the birds flew shortest to the longest with great results.

That tear Walter, is that the one when dropped in an ocean cure all mankind's ailments and ills? Don't look back Walt, eh!... you, me and everyone. is living it .. just trying to get ahead eh! Any way we digress. The topic is, or should be Stopping that lad! Seems now very little interest again eh!

Lol Walter. Not looking back mate. I have a lot to look forward really. The past feeds the tomorrows. Mostly learning how to exploit more. Roland Remember: Today is yesterday's tomorrow. Roland If we can't, won't learn from the past, does that mean the past was irrelevant?

What wins votes! The media! What puts name in the media? Stories. Does the media care what or which story? No! As long as they carry a cause, an interest. One they are able to embellish a thought. One they can use that reaches the reader's interest, which the people note. Especially a heart touching story of an injustice. Then M'P and other concerns clamour to get on board for 'Brownie points'. For to them no publicity is bad. Remember the reality is Voters don't win elections. it who the Media promote.

Thanks Joe You know, with two years still to go to the secondary school I banned Bullying. I hated bullies with a vengeance. About 20 years ago a mate was fixing in a house in a house. The old gentleman, A big man, took a few digs at him. made a few points ... but my mate, a bit confused finished the job, and went and sat in the kitchen to be paid. He recognised him. It was an old teacher of ours. A well-liked teacher and I were the first one he gave the slipper to lol. They got chatting about much and many things. Then asked if he ever sees me? Mate replied 'Once in a while'. Then the ole teacher said 'you know, he banned 'Bullying; and there was none. Kids started their new school and left in peace. No ducking heads in toilets! Nor, rolling them down the slopes in a dustbin and threatening for them to bring then some money etc. You know times when there was always a bloody nose somewhere. Then he left in the Xmas, and straight of it went back to those old days' My mate Trevor said to me, ' I agreed because I still attended. True, the adage 'Give a bully his own medicine and he won't like it'1 Is true, but makes him a more crafty bully well away from getting caught'! You know, it was not always a good feeling, the 'After feel factor of many times I've have to stand up for a brother and hurt someone'. Especially if I felt they weren't necessarily in the wrong. Fighting! First off pleased I'd won without getting hurt (Mostly) of course. Then the slaps on the back so to speak... didn't feel good often. In the ring, I was more than content to win on points... But if hit, I hit back and nigh always won inside the distance. My first fight in the 'Ring' was at 16 in the fairground, which I won, and got conned. The knobbing of money thrown in, the fair boxer claimed 'It was his living'. So let him have the money. I got £2 50p. in 1964 that was a good nights work. However, I started to feel lousy winning and hurting opponents. It played on my mind a lot. So at 21, when I packed up boxing. It was on Local telly, in the 'News of the World' Sunday paper and much more. Indeed, it was printed each year 'on this date in 1969. boxer *** ****** Packed up boxing. Also on the local radio's. Well, I am a mite proud in that regard naturally. Do I regret it? ... No, not really. Maybe violence had been in my life for far too long. I was a natural fighter O.k. But not by nature, it became a way of life. Thrust upon me, I realise. So have vast memories, but wished I had lived a different life. One where 'Stand up and be counted' was as stupid then and in the past tense as now! It has never solved anything. Only cause a harbouring of dislike and A trying for revenge, given a chance. In the ring, a different slant/calling is placed upon it. But it wasn't for me. Maybe the countless nigh every week, or three times a week in the street/school had taken the edge of me. Given my life a different meaning and a way of life, I didn't want or need. Now two fellows fall out and start arguing. One, named Paul is 5 foot 6 and a skinny eight stone with glasses. The other, Dave, is 6 foot 2 inches and twelve stones in weight. It gets heated with both persevering's in being right! Dave looks to the hedge on his left. Bends down and picks up a piece of 3 X 2 wood, about eighteen inches long. He takes hold of Dave and yanks him around, and shakes the life nigh out of him with the odd right tap on his head. Telling him Dave what was right and did he understand and believe him? Now Dave isn't too stupid as to let this carry-on. So mutters agreement, Paul lets Dave feet touch the ground and asked him 'Do you understand me now'? Dave flusters a yarn of at what Paul meant during nigh choking. He even makes an excuse for how he was wrong! Paul says 'I knew you would understand'. Then he walks away pleased. Saying to himself 'I knew he would get the drift and understand'! Dave walks away, saying to himself 'What a big ignorant and stupid bully that twit is'! So I say, make a noise and let those in power choose on our behalf. Asking if they think it would make a good story in the local, even national papers etc.

Well where are we! Where's your voice. Not to be heard as normal, that's for sure. Well, I am not surprised about being not surprised, that is! Why? Well, because there hasn't been any retort, either way, regards the comment I put forward of doing something ourselves, in regards to this horrid person. Mental or not, his doings and free method of cruelty, as and when he feels fit. Why should he? Nothing ever happens. These heinous crimes going unpunished. Well, of course, one doesn't punish mentally afflicted, they lock them up and try to treat them. Now that costs money for starters. So, in a conservative way, and to save money, don't treat! Now do us voters actually have a say? Indeed have we ever! But that isn't the reason no one speaks up, is it! Some certainly go against me when I say things that don't suit. Or feel needed by either my or their points of view. Well, that is sure a certainty. Why not now then? ….. Oh, I see1 It may mean getting to do something your selves. To take a little time to put forward a way possible that might very well help those affected, and those that may well soon be. Of course, having to stand up for their selves and actually do something. Instead of boohooing and casting aspersions against someone trying to help! Seems not many hands are dashing to be raised up eh! -(***YET AGAIN) upwards. Eh! I know, no one will listen. No one will be interested. It won't be a vote catcher, or someone getting noticed. Certainly not in the country, let alone animal and bird lovers. The RSPB would have had him behind bars long ago! Make no mistake about that! No wonder ours – supposed sport - is called 'The Clubs of Apathy'! Yes – again- we are waiting for the white knight of shiny white Armour to take it on board... while we either twiddle our thumbs or sit on hands twiddling arses. The hard cases, with past dreams of violence .. and I wager many via others and not he who spouts it! The tough one spouting what they would do... Seems anything but sign a piece of paper, to stand up and be counted! Waiting for some other to beat the crap out of him. Which wouldn't have the slightest effect, and well they know it! Easy words of butterfly pokes eh! So call me and aim inputs, spout disparaging and derogatory insults. That would be braver than signing a bit of paper I guess, eh! You can't belittle me with insults, or threats. I came from a fighting family.5 brothers and 3 sisters. The girls were evacuated to a place of hatred. Us boys were born there. Locals loathed the family because we were from London. Idiots worried if the parents got killed, OR didn't want their kids back, they would be lumbered. The kids would grow up and have their jobs, marry their kid's! NO that would never do. Fighting the locals and district meant 22 years of no stop hassles for the family. School and teachers a battleground. We won through, though. At 15 / 16 I'd be at pictures when at half time was called out to fight. On the square. Fellows coming from a decent radios. I struggled sometimes. But beat all comers. So before old 'would be have been' hard case's spout up – Don't! Because the genuine old-time hard cases know precisely where I am coming from... So some may boohoo it. Of course to no avail, achieving nothing. So I can assure one and all, I more than held my own in any street brawl! Fought bigger, and the best winning. Not bragging, just being truthful and factually. Inside and outside the ring. Yes, bare Knuckles too. Now though much illness, and age well in my 70's, I only have 3 seconds allowed regards exertion to do the business. Some might be felled by then ... If not a hospital await lol That's why, to try as I could, I couldn't do justice to the pigeons. Yes fit and healthy for sure on a open loft. Breeding superb. Too many, and not losing any. I hated, indeed never ever culled unless absolutely necessary. Deep litter, but still wanted to be in the loft and cleaning etc. My healthy, and indeed, my good wife took preference.

Well said WelDon. Very well put, and said WulDon. I tried to say the same but didn't! You have put me to shame. I added too much, maybe, of this that or the other. But I failed, or some posted was unable to see the things I was saying. But you have certainly put into words the truth. The truth that most appreciated. But for sure he needs locking up in a mental institution! I say Well done and Hear Hear'. Now instead of moaning and whinging, which we all take as said. Just what can we do about it? Don't say anything if it's nothing you want to say!. First off Draft a letter of all his known horrid deeds. Then make copies. Get the addresses put up - fifer permitting - on here likewise in the BWH. A letter also with a petition to be signed. A Petition that is asking how and why this heinous crime of a person's wrongful acts, especially crime's which are utterly disgusting and wicked. Which has been allowed to take place, and worst allowed to carry on! Send to the Law enforcements of Scotland. All Scottish M.P.s. And many more as such. Draw up a list and put names of such forward. Or will it mean we carry one sitting back and taking it? For anger and wrongful deeds, if catching him, aren't going to be the answer. Especially in the long run. the Remembering a trip of a mile takes one small step to start it! LET ME ASSURE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU! IF HE WAS UPSETTING THE B.O.P Brigade HE WOULD BE BEHIND BARS!!!

You must have selective reading, Cliftonlad, or have a problem reading the whole sentence. let alone a paragraph. I have answered that question, well before these facts came up! But then there is none so blind as he who won't eh!

I wish to apologies to each, and everyone, for adding an uncalled element to this topic. It wasn't merited, and, sadly, I wasn't aware of all the facts. The human part of love and feelings would have, should have been for another topic, or one for that very purpose. Sorry!

Any way, Firstly I apologise unreservedly to Ryan. Some times a topic get confused with another. In this case the human element of those who suffer- enough and possibly every day. However, it would appear, that the lad has had a very lot of help and chances. As for him coming day here, A. THERE wouldn't be a cat in hell's chance him getting into my loft. Even when I had the birds. I think we would form a club and make him an honorary president. As long as he is a good swimmer. Further, though I take back some things I posted regards him! the full facts never ws brought home to me. But not the any part of the family's love in such cases. Some get disowned. Able bodies - lazy, thieving scum etc. do get disowned by the family's. But very seldom , if ever. when the child has problems. Mental or physical!

I truly believe and agree 100% with that post. Gosh at last a sensible retort. Mind that proves he needs help ... or is beyond help. Another crack where people needing help have slip through.

End of topic. AS no sensible, or realistic, answers are coming back! No one saying, 'Well I think, believe etc'. So attack and somewhat try to to belittle! Attack the way I use words! Where are we here, get real. Trying to imply, or make something regards illnesses'. That I've insulted his wife etc. Strewth! what a mind. On side inputs saying Disparaging and derogatory insults. Because they haven't be able to come up with a sensible reply! Sarcasm to the fore eh! P.s. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. It is easy to be sarcastic, and not as clever as other means of making a joke. The phrase implies that one thinks sarcasm is crass or irritating. The snarky comments are getting old, boys. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know. The use of irony to mock or convey contempt. I can, and will, rise above such... So I think Ill bang my head against a wall... at least it's nice after a while when stopped lol.

Its comparing what this guy does and is capable off to someone that has a genuine medical condition! Well, just because you can't see it, like you can o with a broken arm, or M.S. or Muscular dystrophy, does set him apart from his illness! Obviously it has gone over your head Ryan. Shame that. Silly man. What am I comparing!!!!? Outside that one must- if capable, though it seems much is splattering on stony ground here ! Comparing that REGARDLESS of any illness, they are loved. They have enough to contend with every day, trying a soul destroy burden and trying to straighten him out. Kicking the sh..t out of a lad with mental problems. Who's brain functioning is not working, is both callous and uncalled for. Gosh some man you who say they would eh! As for the chicken coup and foxes The owner must share some blame surely. He didn't or hasn't took a little extra to safe guard them! Gosh in this day and age, and our intelligence, and so many devises, to say one is, and will be out smarted by a fox... takes some believing that. Likewise this twisted culprit! I think, seriously, that maybe he could be made a honorary member of a pigeon club. Rules of what he can do paramount. Let him work! Maybe a year or so down the line he may be racing and beating the club members

Well best you re - read then. Taking a sentence eh and trying to point a stupid and unreal point. Gosh, talk about with one line draw a universe eh! Sorry he has Muscular dystrophy. Any way, if he was your son, you would be the first, no doubt to kick the crap out of him eh!

But then the fox is an animal, doing what is nature. To kill. But then the owner must be partly to blame. I have a grandson, who suffered with M/S from birth. He weight only 24lb.The family and I love him. My daughter went through a tough time. (hell and back). What with Him wanting to know when he can walk, play football. Why isn't he like other kids? His frustration, regularly, was taken out on his mum. She suffering bruises! Often she was black and blue. He isn't able to write, nor use a computer. But we love him. Daughter fought tooth and nail to help him. Other kids horrid... Parents and neighbours often worse. We are all so proud of her. If you, any of you, had/have a son/daughter, grandson or daughter who is mentally disabled. What would you say, feel if he got a good kicking? Electrified etc.! My grandson is now at York University, and doing quite well. Ok, still has trouble walking and much more. However, we look forward to helping him getting into work and not be a burden on the taxpayer. But then ... Now the thing is this. Parents and family WOULD know and understand what we/you feel. But are helpless to stop you, or others kicking the daylights out of him! He doesn't knows any better, BUT you do! This person is no more than a child. Indeed, one with a mental problem. Ok, it's fine to see someone with a limp, a broken arm in a sling etc. We understand and accept that. BUT we can't see into the brain. His mind! BUT our intelligence, does or should, UNDERSTANDS that he has problems! Now we know all about him! It is YOU needing in future safeguarding your loft and the birds you love! From him! So in all honesty, when asked 'What would I do? Well I certainly wouldn't be harming him any more. No! Not in any way That's a fact! I would be really peeved and mad for sure. But I wouldn't dream of kicking the 'Brown Stuff' out of him! But would have to accept. realise some of it - in today's society - some blame is down to me. Once one accepts, things get easier.

I'm saying violence isn't the answer. I don't know what is. But beating the crap out of a mental inflicted certainly person, wouldn't help. Not for the one receiving, nor the one who is dishing it out! If anything, it points that we all must be more virulent and take care, sadly knowing 'Loft Break-ins' are just around the corner for all and any of us. The days of leaving birds on allotments may well be a thing of the past. I used to say to anyone who had a fox destroying the chicken coup was his fault. He has the means and intelligence to have safeguarded them. Think the time - whether we like it or not, or want to accept it can't cast the blame elsewhere. He isn't an animal but is as bad, or worse. Time to take heed and 'Lock the birds up safely!

So what would I want to achieve? Yes! A punishment fitting to the charge? Most certainly. However, there is the problem here; there isn't, wouldn't, or can't be one as such! Certainly too, my grandmother, family, wouldn't want me to get myself in trouble. Even, maybe, a prison sentence, trying to get a hopeless case resolved. For, sadly, in this case. It is not attainable. If a crime committed against me, my family and loved ones, Friends too, then yes I may well result to such... Well, in my younger days... But one, undoubtedly, in today environment, one must have a sense of the reality of any consequences that might make matters worse. Too often - today - the victim pays a far higher price than the culprit. A lawbreaker if acting as such. The simple fact is, 'Taking the law into your own hands' is frowned upon and carries a far great sentence. Which doesn't bode well with the vast majority of us, that's for sure. One which makes our blood boil. You know, many of the fights I've, and they are/were very numerous for a fact, I often, still even now think I shouldn't have. I could and maybe should have handled differently. For, being honest, it is nigh impossible looking back, what di any achieve! Not much, that's for sure. Yes often have a guilty conscious when thinking of those that I shouldn't have hit ... because of whatever. Then the fact being it never achieved much, if anything. Life goes on, and all /we did means many disliked us! We all know a Bully' hates the thought of being hit and hurt. Because realising, only too well, the pain and suffering he has inflicted on others, and the feeling he is in for some terrifies him. So sadly, I feel, there is no answe. certainly not in the near future,

Eye for eye I was learnt Roland rat an *expletive removed* off for me go and boil yer heed min *expletive removed* low lander !! Well, in that case, soon all in world would be blind. Like yous who won't, never mind can't see, eh! Instead of thuggery, put forward a sensible thought process! P.s which means: A series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end. Preferably with a good ending ... One suiting most!

Well, stand back and applaud. One could say 'speaking from the heart'! Most would say 'speaking from somewhere that produces volumes of the brown stuff'. Instead of spouting the brown stuff, answer, wherein my post (s) do I state untruths and reality? Take each item of my post, and tell me where it is right, or truth. I suggest you get some lad to decipher for you, and after an hour, maybe, just maybe, you will see sense. Not a lot undoubtedly. Mostly not appreciate that's for sure! There again, outside of a way forward, Beat the crap out of a mental handicap, with low learning ability - OBVIOUSLY! Yep, can see Joe Public applauding you! There goes another pigeon fancier beating a mental case. One might ask, is that two mental cases?! By the way what is a min, outside a time?

I am very pleased for you and the good wife. Pass on my congratulations to the new parents etc. P.s., Now the costs will be coming along with the great times, and heartache. But hey, the pleasure will far out weigh the ancieties