Roland

Obviously. 100% correct. Like most think, to be safe, they act En - block! Personally I can't see any way around that ... Only hope Bob Hope which won't count. I think, by and large Joe Public would know nowt. But if caught I'd guess the Daffy lot might want to make an example. Who knows. JMO two pence worth.

Fiat.

Seems that the Proclaimers forgot who Andy was ...

Why Men Have Better Friends: Friendship Between Women: A woman didn't come home one night. The next day she told her husband that she had slept over at a friend's house. The man called his wife's 10 best friends. None of them knew about it. Something to think about and Part 2 will be added later. lol. Part 2- Why Men Have Better Friends: Friendship Between Men: A man didn't come home one night. The next day he told his wife that he had slept over at a friend's house. The woman called her husband's 10 best friends. Eight of them confirmed that he had slept over, and two claimed that he was still there. But with friends like these, who needs enemies. lol. --------------------------------------------- And then the fight started.... After retiring, I went to the Social Security office to apply for Social Security. The woman behind the counter asked me for my driver's license to verify my age. I looked in my pockets and realized I had left my wallet at home. I told the woman that I was very sorry, but I would have to go home and come back later. The woman said, 'Unbutton your shirt'. So I opened my shirt revealing my curly silver hair. She said, 'That silver hair on your chest is proof enough for me' and she processed my Social Security application. When I got home, I excitedly told my wife about my experience at the Social Security office. She said, 'You should have dropped your pants. You might have gotten disability, too' And then the fight started..... Â

Take a look at this probably seen it. Ain't the Proclaimers great?????? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kHjT-TEqLBs

Happy Birthday Andrew. Hope you and the family enjoy lol

A woman, in her fifties, is at home happily jumping clothed, on her bed and squealing with delight.Her husband watches her for a while and asks, "Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look? What's the matter with you?"The woman continues to bounce on the bed and says, "I don't care what you think. I just came from having a mammogram and the doctor says that not only am I healthy, but I have the breasts of an 18 year-old." The husband replies, "What did he say about your 55-year old ass?" "Your name never came up," she replied. ----------------------------------------- One Sunday morning, everyone in one bright, beautiful, tiny town got up early and went to the local church. Before the services started, the townspeople were sitting in their pews and talking about their lives, their families, etc. Suddenly, Satan appeared at the front of the church. Everyone started screaming and running for the front entrance, trampling each other in a frantic effort to get away from evil incarnate. Soon everyone was evacuated from the church, except for one elderly gentleman who sat calmly in his pew, not moving... seemingly oblivious to the fact that God's ultimate enemy was in his presence. Now this confused Satan a bit, so he walked up to the man and said, "Don't you know who I am?" The man replied, "Yep, sure do." Satan asked, "Aren't you afraid of me?" "Nope, sure ain't," said the man. Satan was a little perturbed at this and queried, "Why aren't you afraid of me?" The man calmly replied, "Been married to your sister for over 48 years." ------------------------------- `` The scoop on`` Le Poop... A stranger was seated next to a little girl on the airplane when the stranger turned to her and said, "Let's talk. I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger." The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said to the stranger, "What would you like to talk about?" Oh, I don't know", said the stranger. "How about nuclear power?" "OK," she said. "That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat grass, the same stuff. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?" The stranger thinks about it and says, "Hmmm, I have no idea," To which the little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss nuclear power when you don't know crap?" Sorry Bob... eye could dent heap me self... Ernie  Posts: 237 Joined: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:46 pm Top ------------------------------------- The 3 wonders of nature A rabbits don't drink water but pees... A hen drinks water but doesn't pee A donkey craps a square turd out of a round *expletive removed*! --------------------------------------------- There is a factory in Northern Minnesota which makes the Tickle Me Elmo toys. The toy laughs when you tickle it under the arms. Well, Lena is hired at The Tickle Me Elmo factory and she reports for her first day promptly at 8:00 AM. The next day at 8:45 AM there is a knock at the Personnel Manager's door. The Foreman throws open the door and begins to rant about the new employee. He complains that she is incredibly slow and the whole line is backing up puttng the entire production line behind schedule. The Personnel Manager decides he should see this for himself, so the 2 men march down to the factory floor. When they get there the line is so backed up that there are Tickle Me Elmo's all over the factory floor and they're really beginning to pile up. At the end of the line stands Lena surrounded by mountains of Tickle Me Elmo's. She has a roll of plush red fabric and a huge bag of small marbles. The 2 men watch in amazement as she cuts a little piece of fabric, wraps it around two marbles and begins to carefully sew the little package between Elmo's legs. The Personnel Manager bursts into laughter. After several minutes of hysterics he pulls himself together and approaches Lena. "I'm sorry," he says to her, barely able to keep a straight face, "but I think you misunderstood the instructions I gave you yesterday... Your job is to give Elmo two test tickles. ------------------------------ Just got this from a friend: Subject: lol What marriage is about ... He ordered one hamburger, one order of French fries and one drink. The old man unwrapped the plain hamburger and carefully cut it in half. He placed one half in front of his wife. He then carefully counted out the French fries, dividing them into two piles and neatly placed one pile in front of his wife He took a sip of the drink, his wife took a sip and then set the cup down between them. As he began to eat his few bites of hamburger, the people around them kept looking over and whispering. You could tell they were thinking, "That poor old couple--all they can afford is one meal for the two of them." As the man began to eat his fries a young man came to the table. He politely offered to buy another meal for the old couple. The old man said they were just fine--They were used to sharing everything. The surrounding people noticed the little old lady hadn't eaten a bite. She sat there watching her husband eat and occasionally taking turns sipping the drink. Again the young man came over and begged them to let him buy another meal for them. This time the old woman said "No, thank you, we are used to sharing everything." As the old man finished and was wiping his face neatly with the napkin, the young man again came over to the little old lady who had yet to eat a single bite of food and asked "What is it you are waiting for?" She answered "THE TEETH."

Next Challenger for Lewis eh! Well done mucker, pleased for yer.

http://www.avianlabs.com/ Colin Walker endorses....?

I believe I put that up on here mate. Certainly a good read.

Personally I doubt very much - though I like the idea - it will ever happen! Why, well simply because of what Peter says.

Most, will buy 'Proven Performance' to the amount that their' pocket / needs can afford, for certain 'Stock' that they wish to have a partner too. I believe. What I find amazing is the other add on details that they wish to see . Of course a certain strain of a 'Performance pedigree' may well have a bearing. Likewise so called Strain if having to decide. I fear some may choose a proven POOR bird of a certain family / strain over a 'performance' bird ... Really Indeed by and large most strains are of course a blend of 'Performance' birds I believe. O Kay hands up who would '.... choose a proven POOR bird of a certain family / strain over a proven 'performance' bird?

Exactly. But then why do so many buy supposedly performance birds to breed from then. Maybe Dal2 we can breed winners galore from those on the church roofs and save fortunes... Actually many have and do lol.

I think that Mercedes will win in their' contrived efforts to have a German World Champ. They tried hard to last season ... but failed. This time the steps taken further will have its ill awards! Think Hamilton should leave and drive for Ferrari, or Red Bull ... especially now as the rules in construction are to be changes and ALL cars given a free hand etc.

I think this sums up very nicely fanciers views and thoughts …. Taken from the Alberta Classic: First Post: Most of us like to base at least some of our selection on performance. Sometimes performance is a difficult thing to define. Below are the race records of two pretty good pigeons. On the surface they appear very similar, but I think there are also some fundamental differences. The birds flew in different clubs and different Federations, but on the same race course. Both clubs had a number of good flyers and both Feds averaged 1000 birds or more and 70 to 90 lofts most races. Both birds won good prizes from 100 to 500 miles at speeds from 800 ypm to 1500 ypm. Over their careers they flew roughly the same number of races. Which bird would you pick for your breeding program if only one was available? Bird #1 won 22 prizes in 5 years of racing including 4 X 1st Combine and 7 times in the top 4 of the combine. It only won the club one time when it did not also win the combine, i.e. 5 X 1st in total and only had one second club (also 2nd combine). Bird #2 won 21 prizes in 6 years of racing. It was 11 X 1st club and 6 X 2nd club (17 times 1st or 2nd club). Most of the times it was 2nd club it arrived with a loft mate and was beat on the clock. It won one combine and had a total of three top 10 combine positions.First reply: Ist reply: Hi, they both flew great and you asked which one we would select for breeding - I think one of the key missing piece of information is the pedigree of each, can you shed some light on that if you have? Why? Surely the performances are all important regardless! Second reply: WHY NOT SHOW A PIC.???? OK nice to see perhaps, but again WHY 3RD POST. I don't get your point .....If they are in a sale? OR you raced them? Or what? If they are in a sale then eye might be the best way to select the better breeder.....but one would still need to know the family to have a chance at picking one over the other. They seem good enough that all lofts would have tried some young from them and we would have a clue as to their breeding ability.............If there were some brothers and sisters to them that were not as good at racing......and therefor maybe nothing from them had been raced.....I would look through them and their eyes - to see if there might be a bargain/ a gold nugget among them. MUMBLE JUMBO OR WHAT.?!Eye sign, then family, then the Pedigee! Where are we here? What happened to PERFORMANCES! This topic went on and on. Deviating to colours, and breaking away from others. Size and then system etc. ALL to choose the best PIGEON. Sound familiar to any one.

Ally is rust proof etc. and a must for endurance quality. I have built mine right across the front 5 metre. 5'6'' high and 4 foot deep. Well perched. Of course it is still sectioned. They birds play up to each other of course, but can't get to each other. I have left it wired at the top too. Amazes me when they decide to go in from the elements. Some times, mostly, they will in real heavy down pours they stay out and take a shower.

I mwean how many really know what is in these remedies and the know on effect OUTSIDE of some one saying they use it. Then there are many reasons as to look at as to why and effects, and are they really? or being paid. any scenarios should be looked at and thought about I believe. JMO

kingbilly 1Â I am not, and never was, OR HAVE BEEN eferring to you. Certainly not. I refer to the 'Very Many' that they use willy - nilly'. 'Blind' and certainly those that have a belief in pre mating etc. During Breeding' etc. and pre racing and during racing. Again certainly en mass which is doing detrimental damage to the birds and the sport. Belgium for example has had the government interference on two occasions and are -I believe - undergoing as such again at the moment. It being so bad. YET!, yes AND YET! many follow willy nilly what is and was doing the damage. Courtesan for instance etc. Illegal doping is HERE and has been for a few years etc. Hence I believe that time is of the paramount when we look back, diagnose what we are actually doing and the knock on effects. Gosh the posts we've read regards certain 'Studs' so called uses etc. AND YET many who spouted it are now doing the same. JMO.

Antibiotics Antibiotics are poisons that work by building up to a certain concentration in the blood and once they reach the correct concentration, they become toxic to the bacteria (and other things) that they are intended to treat. They do not address the problem until they reach the required toxic level of concentration in the blood stream and this takes time. That is why the doctor always insists that patients take the full prescription at the time prescribed. The correct concentration of the drug in the blood has to be reached and then maintained to eliminate the disease causing bacteria. Antibiotics such as tylan, doxicycline and most of the other antibiotics used by pigeon fanciers are designed to reach the target level of concentration in the blood only after several doses and after two or three days of scheduled use. Giving them one day, say Sunday, after returning from a race is useless. The treatment adds nothing of value because one dose is inadequate to reach blood concentrations anywhere near what would be lethal to any disease-causing organism. The only benefit of abusing antibiotics in this way is purely psychological on the part of the fancier. It makes the fancier feel good, not the bird. What it does is build the resistance of the disease causing organisms by chronic under dosing and encourages the government food and drug watchdogs to push for bans on the sale of these antibiotics without medical supervision. Abusing antibiotics is more serious than most of the other silly things that we pigeon fanciers constantly do to make us feel like we are increasing our chances of winning. This is because this type of abuse can actually pose a threat to human health. The good effective drugs get banned or become less effective as a result and we only have ourselves to blame. As a thumb rule, regular strength tetracycline antibiotics like Terramycin are used for pigeons at 4 level teaspoons per 4 litres of water for 7-14 days, and Terramycin concentrate powder is used at 2 teaspoons per 4 litres for the same treatment period - so it's important to read the label to know the strength of product you've bought. As Hal says, the use of a small amount of citric acid (from lemons) - or apple cider vinegar - added to these solutions aids immensely in the absorption of this class of antibiotic across the intestinal wall and into blood vessels for distribution throughout the body. In chickens, erythromycin (commercial name: Gallimycin) is very useful in dealing with Mycoplasma species that are part of a respiratory problem. It is much less useful in pigeons since their crop bacteria destroy it readily (they destroy chloramphenicol too) so it is hard to get a good treatment level of either of these drugs into the bloodstream. Injection of chloramphenicol by needle and syringe gets around this problem. Gord. Oxfendazole is a member of the benz-i-mi-da-zole family which is a large chemical family used to treat worm and fluke infections. However, there is widespread development of resistance and their use is decreasing. They have broad activity against roundworms and a wide safety margin. There are several: mebendazole, flubendazole, fenbendazole, oxfendazole, oxibendazole, albendazole, etc.. The most effective of the group are those with the longest life in the body - such as oxfendazole, fenbendazole, albendazole, because they are not rapidly metabolized to inactive products. Effective concentrations are maintained for an extended period in the plasma and gut. Mebendazole, flubendazole, and fenbendazole are effective against worms in the digestive and respiratory tracts of birds. Fenbendazole (commercial name: Panacur) is about 80-100% effective against roundworms but should be avoided because it can easily cause feather abnormalities in overdose. Other wormers: Ivermectin (Ivomec, Eqvalen): Broad spectrum wormer, a member of the avermectin family. Effective against roundworms, hairworms and stomach wall worms. Dose: 500 -1000 mg per bird. Can be dosed in the drinking water, but the efficacy of this method is debatable. The surest way is to treat the pigeons individually. 1-2 drops by mouth of Ivomec is the correct dose. The higher dosage is needed to treat roundworms and, for some reason, even this is occasionally ineffective. New generation avermectins such as Abamectin may be more effective. Abamectin is a relatively new product and is applied as drops to the skin; it is highly effective against hairworms and roundworms as well as external parasites such as lice and mites. It is currently available in Europe. Moxidectin: A member of the Milbemycin family, Moxidectin is a highly effective product that provides prolonged protection against re-infestation, effective against hairworms, roundworms and external parasites. It seems to be a relatively safe product that is used in the water and can be given during the breeding, moulting and racing seasons. Levamisole (Tramisol, Levasol, Ripercol): Good against roundworms (70-90% effective), but usually fails when used to treat threadworms or stomach wall worms. Dose: 1 to 1.5 grams per gallon for 1-2 days. NOTE: This dosage often causes some pigeons to vomit. This drug is an immune stimulant even at lower dosages. Piperazine: Effective against roundworms only, and only 60-80% effective here. Dose: 15 mg per bird (300 mg per gallon) for 2 days. It is best to avoid using piperazine. Praziquantel (Droncit): Excellent against tapeworms and flukes. Dose: 6 mg per pigeon once (1/4 of a cat-size Droncit tablet). Pyrantel Pamoate: Excellent against roundworms - 80 to 100% effective. Dose: 1-2 mg per pigeon – 75 mg per gallon for 1-2 days. Repeat in 3 weeks. Hope this helps a bit. Are as guide ONLY to be used with and prescribed by a Avian Vet AFTER diagnosed by such. Antibiotics Are Poisons that quickly become immune.

So good racers that go in to the stock loft haven't any call for a immune system... Hence won't pass any immunity on to their youngsters eh! There we go, the reason of a lack of immunity and constitution in one in a nut shell ... no wonder y/b losses are so great eh!

Antibiotics CAN'T prevent oat! Only allows a weakening of the constitution and causes further damage down the line when rendered useless. Indeed DOCTORS warn against such silly actions. And just what is meant when talking about pigeons to say 'Glad some on here are their doctor! :unsure: Pigeons aren't human, ... but how forever we hear such trash talk saying 'If you... YOU'! etc. I'm not a pigeon, far from it and as such it is ridiculous to compare. Animals have their own Medicine box built in that serve to GOOD ... Hence it is, and should, only given help when needed ... Which we do, and not because 'He, whoever says so, but via a proper registered AVIAN Vet.

True ... not before etc. of course. There are times, sadly in these days, that they need a little help. .... Unfortunately through our trying to gain a march. Listening to adverts etc. of MONEY makers etc. Then of course because one thinks it is needed to 'Keep Up'. with...! We are destroying our birds, and pets, whilst listening to money making tripe. Incest breeding has an awful lot laid at it's door of course!

Ditto. Good post John. antibioticguardian.co.uk

Had mine from Frank Bristow.

no....! But I know why policemen have bigger balls than firemen .... they sell more tickets lol :emoticon-0136-giggle: