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running over the house tops over the road. It is after the pigeons in the eaves nesting on the ledge. None there though since last week. A right terror this one. Hides under the parked cars - No John not on the roof tops lol - constantly stalking them. I've shooed it a few times. First time I've seen of the house roof tops though. There, just looked out and the pigeons are back under the eaves. ... Been outside and the cat is at the bottom pf the street working it's way back up... That ones a black one. We also ha black and white one doing the same.

I think the last one in England was Bilco's Rome 1000 miler 1012 to here about.. He said he would do another. How ever other countries do. One has to take in account - I believe John - the climate and terrain they would be flying over, and of course the time of year suitable to us. Moscow looks good lol. I was in Canada 2005, when the Pickle Lake race was set up. Indeed I was the instigator and staying with Mike van der Jagt then, amongst others. We, Mike and I, spent a lot of time debating and we searched the web high and low for other such races, and then of course looking over the maps for a suitable, and somewhat fair liberation point. I favoured that we should head into the North West for a following wind to help etc. Though of course the wind could not be guaranteed. We thought that a 600 miles would a good starting point... But maybe could go down to London etc and beyond. But of course, though Canada has nothing if not 1000's of square miles – and only 1700 pigeon fancier, where one could get to was indeed a burden. For much of the time when off the beaten track so to speak the way forward was impossible to take a pigeon transporter etc. A plane? Nowhere to land / if cost effective. First flew in 2006. (Agreed after I came back home and I was only able to make the odd input over the net ). So in reality I was not long on board lol. One realised quickly, that there were a few obstacles to get over. First off interest. Second transport etc. Of course clocking stations aren't a problem as night birds sent the particulars were set to one sauce. It was to be a 6 day race – not an endurance test – and the pigeons timing confirmed by fancier and 2 others. Soon 800 mile plus lofts were putting their' names up. Then others... But one may have great hopes and zest, but it still needs those interested to put in a firm yes and them act and participate. It was a great success first off, but for whatever reason it lost, interest . Mainly when those left with the running got no help. When those running maybe lost interest for any reason.

I saw it last night John ... But had to sleep on it and think Long and Hard lol

Well that's write then every thing I right lol :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Jim was a fancier of exceptional quality prior to moving from London. Winning much in club, feds and the big combines etc. Dagenham way I believe off hand if memory serves me right. S. Hall 'Originally'. bought Jim Biss's birds for him after THEY decided and agreed. They sought and bought birds the length and breadth of the U.K. When he moved, they decided where to, both for business and pigeons, though mostly for pigeons and locations. Vast sums for them days was paid, and as nigh all strains bred down from distance and proven hard day races. Before John Hunter jumps on another post It is a fact John. Mind per usual he wouldn't / doesn't say why, let alone give an answer in any regards lol :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Well John, if you instigated it then no worries, well not for me, but may be a pointer for you so be careful lol :rolleyes:

Was always , or rather often said, that after 3 generations they weren't any good for racing. Now as to why it is often said as a proven fact I know not. Neither whether there is any truth in that. Or are they any good for breeding ... How can it be that if one believe after 3 generations they can't race, how can it be thought that they can breed racers? My thoughts would be, if regular out crossed then the birds natural elements would be fine including their homing ability. If not, then a very good out cross would have to be the order of the day... if not too late? Genes etc. will always be maintained. Others call it the 'Blood'. the art of breeding and mating is what separates often the men from the boys. My personal 3 favourites in that score would be Bussceart, Masserella, and old man Janseen. These in that regard see in minutes what other never will in a life time. S.V. Reet only ever chose, bought or bred a bird via handling it. Best families would be say 3 x 6 pairs of stock. Once proven in the basket continue out crossing the families. Pointers recorded as to the merits and traits. Draw up a list of what makes, or what you believe makes a good racer. Also what is a bad trait etc. Bad trapper, strong endurance etc. etc. Number them say 1 to 20. Take a hen and mark accordingly out of 20 the good, not so good and bad traits. Like wise a cock bird. Now put against each other on paper. Pair strengths against not so good.. Too many bad traits pair together would only strengthen Bad traits and visa versa eh! If one mates by the eyes then surely, whether an expert or not, Corn eye mated to an earth. Means the young will grow. JMO. As for me I think the eye is only a mirror to the sul, no more and nothing less... But many fly a great loft on it.

Yep agree 100%. Also most probably on the continent too if records and performances are taken into account. Certainly swept the U.K. Kent etc. never knew what had hit them ... and of course many soon followed suit with Busschaerts. How true and many more. Even today!

Certainly makes one take that sharp intake of breathe eh! Looking great.

Losses! I believe, and it is just mine thoughts as it would upset many, too many if true. A. incest breeding hammers both the homing ability and the birds constitution. Seems the realism of Incest to breed, out cross to race is taboo and forgotten now. No incest bird is bred to race, only the outcross birds. Then fed a staple of light feeds, carbs etc. doesn't allow the bird to have any back up when needed and they go down. They need staple beans a / pulses etc. I believe. Too much emphasise on winning and Must send I fear also takes it toll. How long does one think that carbs stay in the system when raced? As for the claims of y/b sickness I don't know much about that, but think a lot of lame crutches like the B.O.P. is laid unnecessary at it's door. From what I gather, they can and do get over it quite quickly and go on to race, win , well.

Was a lad from Brum, forget club, have the name on tip of tongue. Caught and fed a stray. A clubman gave him a... well cull, or streeter whatever you want to call it. Was only allowed a rabbit cage ... he ended up with three, one on top of the other like. First race and in basket IT WON A NATIONAL, when there was not many Nationals about. Yep 1st club, first fed and combine and National. Was a good write up a little while back in the BHW. How many can say that ... let alone do it. In the late 40's and 50's, even 60's MANY a race was one with a stray's, or a streeters off spring. Indeed strays sent and won too lol. Hear tale that is still rife. What report it! Send up the road... The best thing, and by far excels most of today's pigeons if the Homing ability. They never seem to circle, Just race home. Now them scruffy urchins eating the dropped fish and chips will do the 50 - 60 easy enough, but these aren't the ones one is thinking off. Was a time when the 'Church pigeons young were ringed and won, and many also eaten. Can't see many eating them scuffy blighters in town centres though lol. But in war time Silo birds made the stew. AND also lofts after wars end.

Lol Good Post ... Likewise yours J. A. M. So Delboy buys in from some good stock and loses a couple of cracking youngsters, nest mates off the top. A cock and a hen ... peeve or what.... Likewise J.A.M buys in from some good stock and loses a couple of cracking youngsters, nest mates off the top. A cock and a hen ... peeve or what.... How ever the youngsters at meet at the local church and holy mackeral, they mate up. Not worth a wink of the eye eh! One nest is under a tree aside a stream near a old corn shed ... the other pair both reds, nip into my loft for a feed. Reported, I'm told I can keep them. NOT worth a wink of the eye I let them stay in an old aviary of mine.... wife SAYS CHUCK SOME FEED IN, SO BEING A DUTIFUL HUSBAND I OBLIGDE AND TELL HER ''YOU WATCH THEN DETERIATE ... IN 3 YEARS THEY WILL BE AS BAD AS STREET urchers. As they aren't worth a jot I don't bother to ring the YOUNG... ,those UNDER THE BRIDGE , BOTH BLUES HAVE A FEW ROUNDS. Fresh air and choice feed... not worth a jot. Maybe the grad children could be used as look out if ....

Who tested them? Dafra! And when did you ever race your birds, old or the y/b's against a feral? We have. Indeed a in another scenario a very well know stud bought and sold loads. All having great and proven results.

Obviously a biased, and not factual post JAM. Whereas I've seen and done much myself as many others have done and noted. As for betting your birds against them, you would certainly lose. Fact!

Well, I have a mete (believe or not lol) whom I oft download some nature scenes etc. Will share these with him mate.

Careful you don't get too many and have a prime cubed number mate lol. Division and % are just more work. I'd stick to a 100 mate.

Those feral -in the beginning goes to show what a difference good feed can make.

You know, I used to, like many others, encourages a couple of streeters if they went into the loft. Cleaned up they were great look outs regards the dreaded B.O.P. Also beat any bird home from 60 miles or so ... Never took farther. Yes they all get a mild dose of canker of course, but that prevented other strains, or that one becoming gross. - We constitute bad cankers ourselves. Yes like wood - pigeons, and other bird species, some fail an illness from time to time. Of course they do! ... BUT by far, the very most have a great immunity against illnesses. I've heard tale of some that got Para ... never seen it personally like most. Indeed only on a website chat room once. Never seen one with y/b sickness... Let alone a batch suffering from it ... indeed anything thing. Agreed in towns they are restricted to feeds of nourishment etc. and rely on chips and such ... scrawny and thin etc. But no big deal in any illnesses. Great wild or where there is food... like Trafalgar Square was. Dick Oakley and Pip Wells worked on the Gas board. Dick raced, Pip interested but couldn't afford it his wife said. Dick said many started with strays and sile bred. So they raid the silo's and rung any black ones. These blacks the year after and for 3 -4 years dominated the Northants Fed. Pip's wife said the money would be handy... so he sold out to a well known stud for a good price. True!

100 is easier to work with Froog. Like percentage of 100% mate.

and NO yb/s. Great video I believe. Those pigeons in first clip are bril. Reminds me when about 4 - 5 years ago, Joyce and I visited the setting of 'The last of Summer wine'. Opposite the Café over looking the bridge pigeons of all shapes and size were IN great condition.

I think that the Tax many worries when a name crops up that hasn't recent history, that there maybe tax OWED them and is a form of catching up lol. Ok sometimes it cost THEM... but mostlt they gain or at least stay the same.

True John ... why it is a good mix in rearing I believe. Also as the Scots will tell you lol, it releases units of heats - energy, slowly over a period of time. THat is why, I and many others, believe that the Porridge is one of the best feed sauces there is.

I believe along the lines of John Hunter here. I always said in the game 'One can be only as good, or bad, as the opponent allows'. But a win is a win eh!

A rebate on the scam and the money you've lost maybe. If you think you are due one, best to go personally to the Tax man - quote / or copy and paste it to him. Good luck mate.

Peter Court Farm often have a good price for Groats ... Great in rearing. Will have to check for prices and when in ... Cheaper for me to drive down and fetch than have delivered. Twice a year I have 6 bags. A. for Feeding and B. for racing mix.