Roland

I got a few of the Smiths Delbars of Skegness. They have done some great results for a Club mate.

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too much protein.

iJust beat me.... Lighten the feed a mite. Want then a bite hungry. Send then up the road. I was having 50% ranging and flying well ... till started hanging about... the other 50% did nowt much. Some just flew a couple times, second away ... But started - to send up the road and all have a bit of zip now.

Yes true Some Have the BMW's.... but they are the Judas' that exploit their own. Bring in, manipulate. We have in this town 106 prosecutions Pending alone over the exploitation of 'Foriegn workers'. It depends how they got here / ligit or not etc. and whether brought over by 'Muscle /NASTY GANGS also. We use to have some turn up to work at my last job which i retired from complete last May. Eastern Block mostly who got here on own steam. Were agency workers. - This was made big again by Thatcherism to break the unions I.e. short contracts - good or bad whatever. They'd turn up and loiter, or hide, quickly found ruses to dodge work. I use to get peeved and sent them home. Boss would come and tell me I couldn't do that! Ekk I told him I just had, and that he'd be better splitting their' money - We saved - between us. After all we had to do the extra work. Never happened of course. But was better than letting them watching us doing their work. Yes some were British dosiers too. I shifted them on too Lol. Had a 23 year 6f oot 3inches steriod fitness freak that thought he was the Bees Knees and the real mean machine and hardcase. I thought he was a mouthy bully.. Let him the odd time sit on a forklift. But he was a lazy bar - lamb... Said that he had my forklift to use and I could go stacking and unload the Hand Balling lorries. Spouted over his shoulder 'I fight you for it' etc. I got peeved at that1 He quickly cowered when I got him by the throat and dragged him of the forklift. I told him if he wanted to stay AND WORK he'd better fight me for the right to! Him and his brother in - law went home instead lol.

Well Roly the Red here and that's for sure.... But the cold fact of reality, like when Enoch Powel *l - YES! - McCloud and McMillan brought in the immigrants in the late 50's we needed them here then, and we needed them here now. After the last Tory Government for instance there was no money in the coffers to even pay pensions... the other reason why Thatcher tried to force everyone to take out a pension and insurances etc. (the other was to make her mates and herself lots of money of course. (Like she did sell the guns to Iraq etc. and still is apparently through mark) It is, regardless what we may think the incoming labour that puts £40 billion to pay our pensioners etc. Ok we just see them as spongers and getting houses. Served their purpose :-/ Well a lot are going or gone back. Poland is being flooded with the Chinese... etc. etc. Used to be the fens had the Irish over to pick potatoes, etc. etc. farm / land workers.... Now it is the eastern block. Yes miserable exploited. Get the minimum wage... nigh all goes bad to their 'Gang bosses' for Living accommodation... they send £10 back home, and live on between £3 - £7. Don't need much more, are all either sleeping stacked up in a room or working. :-/ When Knib and Wilberforce helped to abolish slavery - but look up the real reason and how much more they made money wise - there was an estimated 11 million slaves in the known world. There are over 300 million in the same countries / places :-/ *His river of blood speech was when he was chucked out and was only offered Wolverhampton; … well it was a boiling point and a vote catcher full stop. ** **Was demoted and throw out again and put out to pasture in Northern Ireland

That was when it was printed. It takes over two years for it's findings to be collected and then submitted / printed etc. at least.

Well pigeons aen't stupid, far from it as often proved. But also they have - a good one - strong intraits of homing and habits. Must put their' minds in turmoill.

If it's live yogurt then yes.... most has died before shelf life and before leaving the shop / supermarket. So then obviously no good. As for drinking water why :-/ it's dead any way so the water won't harm it. Still won't do any good though ;D If it's a dead yogurt then it's can be of any use. If livefine, it is for humans and useless for pigeons. It is no more thn a Fancier 'Feel Good / Steal a March factor. Flightpath and suh obviously is better ad is for pigeons.

Yep that is 10 years old, but if on continues to place percentages to it each each I.e. add average youngters, then their breeding and youngsters, taking away the % that die through old age, it would no doubt hurt your eyes and sting home reality I thinks.

Allbear is more than welcome in Wales any day of the week. ;D ;D ;D True, can hold his own with wellies it seems lol ;D ;D ;D Allbear is more than welcome in Wales any day of the week. And seems the same applies here lol.

I am going to send them to the races as Trainers with the y/b's.

£20 each of them and £25 spencroft master piece

Well I can guess what great scribe wrote that. And even younger ones will do Vallence lol. And yes of course it will work. Will undoubtedly have great results for ever one that does it and that's for sure.

Mind, you must send your best racers to win.... also rans are just that, Also ran'. - Ok flew lol. Would scatter eggs off her this close season etc. and race again nxt, maybe for the next 3 years or so.

I'd echo that... but would add I'd float some under the so called 'Culls' and left them earn some corn too. Yes would have a few latebreds scattered starting about now.

stb, yes in nature etc. etc. and yes yes, Yet we should quite possibly cull in a humane and dignified way. Not 'Just chuck it a bucket' / 'Bin it'. What would I have done / do? Simply! Put it to rest. Not discard it as a worthless irritating bit of useless fodder. Not when we have organisations trying to BAN pigeon racing as cruel. Not when we are trying to say that B.O.P killing etc. our birds and when trying to answer their call that setting up B.O.P. over fanciers lofts to eat our pigeons is cruel and NOT nature. -AS YOU try to imply 'What NATURE would do! Nature has nothing to do with it. We are suppose to be humane, caring pigeon lovers, not barbaric callous show offs that delight in 'Chucking' our birds we supposedly care for in a bucket, or bin. That is not what caring and thoughtful people do. To answer it would be better to say 'It will never walk, nor be able to feed it's self, atleast not properly, aso unfortunately be best to put it out of it's misery'. surely. Not 'Bucket it' strueth we are in the 21st centaury for pigeons sake.

Do wish people would stop being stupid in overstating their views as if it's clever... The Bucket, Bin it etc. Just how many times does it have to be stated that many others, beside fanciers, youngster and newcomers read such things. And many are those that are only too pleased to copy and state how callous and uncouth 'Pigeon fanciers' are, and then have the cheek to spout about Falconers etc. etc. My mate was holidaying in Greece. Met a UK flyer there. Often thought he'd like to start up. Call back and said 'What a callous and evil lot you pigeon fanciers are... then used all the uncouth names used in culling. Not least because the bird wasn't good enough to... Does one really think it impresses? :-/ It doesn't impress any one and that's a fact. we have heard it all before and members of the public newbies and etc. deplore it.... Indeed the only ones that like it are those up to no good. Animal rights enthusiastic brigade and even the B.O.P. fraternity that rub their’ hands in glee to splatter the mud back at us. Now that is a fact! And as such Yes it is time we 'Binned it' and through it into a waste bucket.

So sad, please know that I feel for you and my deep sincere thoughts thoughts go with you in this, your darkest hour.

Well I don't know what age you are.... you never said of course. Indeed you might not be much older than me lol ;D ;D

Extract from the Henry Surtees death just days before and Felipe Massa. tradgic irony I feel. So sad too.... all in the wink of an eye death. Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo and Brazilian Formula One driver Felipe Massa both expressed their sorrow and, in common with other leading figures in motorsport, stressed the importance of learning from the tragedy. "These things remind us how much safety has to remain the priority on the track and in all the other places of motorsport," Massa said. "Over the last years much has been done, but we can't be inattentive."

Yep that is understandable lol ;D ;D ;D Hegde your bets and cancel all your life insurance policies lol

Oh yes, setting feats and standards most will ever dream about. Great flying, and actually is good to see. Well done. Was some good boxer too from the Bargoed boxing club. A couple of ABA champs and international back in the 60' / 70's. One very good lad was also called Davis... but then again Jones and Davis are popular names and as well known as Fish and Chips'.

Hope their' meals was dressed with a little lard and salt.

Ditto