Now yer talking , wasn't a go at you or any cnut, it was a good question the guy asked and I was interested to hear the answer.Think what yer saying, I flew my ybs with Almond valley for years and they had to break and come the extra 15 miles on there own, it's interesting thread this so relax and stop taking offence when there's no malice in anything John.Ive stated my opinion on no training as I think it's detrimental to the convoy, but that's my opinion and like it or lump it, I'm entitled to it .You started a thread which is interesting so let's keep it at that.