I know what yer saying Davie but what I remember from years ago is, they went in the transporter for training and ALL the birds came singly all day, the next toss they came slightly better, the next they all came together BUT, there wasn't the hawks, mob phones, etc, etc then and now I think we need to help the doos as much as possible. My problem with your NO TRAINING theory is this, when untrained doos go into a transporter for the first time they jeopardise the rest of the convoy because they hold them up at lib, this gives bop time to come in and attack them. Hence all the disasterous races at the start of the yb season.