The whole west of Scotland has not raced the west for years and the first time trying we are desimated, if the theory of starving them was going to work, the west bop population should be at its lowest right now, but it looks like it's stronger than ever, no matter where we race from there are fancier the whole length of the west of the UK and the birds still have to home into these areas. I do think the bop play a big part in poor returns but this year I think some other factor is also responsible for the loses. Jmo