Bird Flu

[Ian McKay]

Just seen on Sky News confirmed case of Bird flu in turkeys at a Lincolnshire Farm

 

 

Not good news

 

Update

 

 

An outbreak of bird flu has been confirmed in turkeys at a farm near Louth in Lincolnshire.

[JohnQuinn]

Just seen that Ian, not good news at all for the producers just before Christmas.

[Ian McKay]

Just seen that Ian, not good news at all for the producers just before Christmas.

 

 

Surprising thing for me was it has killed nearly all of the 5,000 birds never knew it was so lethal :emoticon-0179-headbang: :emoticon-0179-headbang: Won't question there rules and decisions in future :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[philg50]

I spoke to SHU at 12 o-clock the day they said (Linda ) that it was ok to let birds out for exercise ,so far are we now eh .

[clockman]

expletive remove Panic stations.

[Ian McKay]

I spoke to SHU at 12 o-clock the day they said (Linda ) that it was ok to let birds out for exercise ,so far are we now eh .

 

 

Might have been before this announcement

 

 

Ask DEFRA they are the only ones with the answer but they will be like headless chickens with this devastating news :drinking-coffee-200:

[Ian McKay]

A very interesting article which blows away the rubbish spread about our birds by the public and some fanciers

 

 

Much research has been carried out to better understand the threat posed by the pigeon (feral and domesticated) and research is ongoing in many parts of the world, particularly in those countries worst affected. A thorough scientific research programme was undertaken following the outbreak of the highly pathogenic strain H5N2 in the north-eastern United States (in 1983/4) to assess the potential for wild birds to spread disease amongst local farms. The following species were included in this survey:

Wild and free-flying domestic ducks and geese

Wild or free-flying domestic birds (including pigeons)

Rodents

Dead or sick birds within the quarantine area

map of outbreaks in the worldAttempts to isolate the virus were conducted on a sample of 4,132 birds, of which 473 were pigeons, and of this number 92.6% were collected from infected farms. A further 81 feet, taken from dead pigeons, were also assessed for the purposes of the research - this is because pigeons commonly feed on agricultural sites and by walking in infected faecal matter the birds could potentially pass on the disease. In order to assess the sample, tracheal (throat) and vent (anus) swabs were taken from each bird. None of the 4,132 birds collected tested positive for the H5N2 strain. Blood samples taken from 383 pigeons were also negative for antibodies (antibodies are protective substances that are produced by the defensive network of the body in response to an infection) to avian influenza, an indication that infection by this virus had not occurred in these birds. avian influenza & bird fluAn additional 50 pigeons, collected from within the quarantine zone, were also negative for the influenza virus. Experimental attempts made to infect pigeons with the highly pathogenic H5N2 strain of avian influenza did not result in either multiplication of the virus or any evidence of antibodies in the blood. The results of all of these studies indicated that pigeons were not infected with avian influenza and did not spread it.

avian fluIn another outbreak of avian influenza in the USA in 1993 (in the period February to May) blood samples were collected from 17 flocks of pigeons located within the quarantine area for evidence of antibodies to avian influenza. Flock sizes varied from 2000 - 3000 birds and represented a total of between 34,000 and 51,000 birds. Approximately 10 birds per flock were sampled (a total of 160 birds) and in every instance all pigeons tested were negative for antibodies to this avian influenza.

avian influenza & bird fluAnother study published in 1996 on the susceptibility of pigeons to avian influenza found that groups of pigeons inoculated with two strains of highly pathogenic influenza virus, or two strains of non-pathogenic virus, remained healthy during the 21-day trial period. The sample did not shed virus and did not develop antibodies to this disease - further evidence that pigeons are not a factor in the spread of avian influenza. More recent scientific evidence, from experimental work in 2001/2002, has shown that pigeons infected with the highly pathogenic form of the virus (designated H5N1 of Hong Kong origin) did not develop signs of this disease and did not have detectable changes to the disease in their tissues. Neither was the virus found in their tissues and nor was it re-isolated from swabs of tissues. These findings indicated once again that pigeons (along with starlings, rats and rabbits used in these studies) are largely resistant to infection with this highly pathogenic strain of the virus.

avian fluIt is quite clear from all the information available that avian influenza continues to be a threat to both humans and birds, but the likelihood of its transmission to humans as a result of contact with the feral pigeon or its faeces is virtually nil. The feral pigeon is reputed to be the ultimate disease-carrier, harbouring the capability to spread a huge variety of diseases to both humans and other birds and animals, but in reality this is a myth. As can be seen from the findings of several research programmes, the feral pigeon is at the bottom of the list of those species that have the potential to spread avian influenza and it is likely that this is the case with most of the other diseases that are commonly associated with the pigeon.

[Froog]

Poor Turkeys......theyde have had their necks thrawed this week anyways

[Dave barrie]

ill bet these farms are importing bird for xmas demand and this is whats happening, we will be buggered by the rules,ie defra but its nowt to do with doo,s cause theyre nae poultry, end of.

[Ian McKay]

ill bet these farms are importing bird for xmas demand and this is whats happening, we will be buggered by the rules,ie defra but its nowt to do with doo,s cause theyre nae poultry, end of.

 

 

Davie we are poultry that's why we get lumbered and have vaccines we don't need they need the money vet's are poor folks :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[Dave barrie]

aye ian yir bluddy right min

[philg50]

ill bet these farms are importing bird for xmas demand and this is whats happening, we will be buggered by the rules,ie defra but its nowt to do with doo,s cause theyre nae poultry, end of.

I was a butcher when i did work and one of the places i worked for was a company that imported birds from France to fill orders for a large number of hotels all over the north east and they were cheaper of course and i am sure the farms are buying in youngsters to rear from europe.

[Dave barrie]

nuff said phil, its been taken in by the commercials but theyll blame it on wildfowl migrating and the whole country will be on lockdown but not me, defra can visit me and test the doo,s but will find nowt,mine will fly free and anyone on hear can shout me down but i dinna give a ?, my doo,s will fly open bowl like they allways have and allways will

[peter pandy]

In attmpting to make sense of Ian's Post #7 it would give the impression in my opinion, that Ferals were tested but Racng Pigeons were not, unless I have mistaken some of the script, and that they were not susceptable to the virus.

I could and will give my thought's on this matter stating that Feral pigeons are hardier with a stronger immune system than our pampered pets which some will fill with antibiotics whether they require them or not !! ""Prevention being better than cure"" therefore a weakened immune system. Why are Turkeys or Chickens often the recipitents off viruses, could it be the fact they are fed pelleted feed which contain antibiotics and prior to entering the food chain will have been weaned off to show they are free of medication and fit for human consumption..BANG.. Just my opinion.

[VMS]

In attmpting to make sense of Ian's Post #7 it would give the impression in my opinion, that Ferals were tested but Racng Pigeons were not, unless I have mistaken some of the script, and that they were not susceptable to the virus.

I could and will give my thought's on this matter stating that Feral pigeons are hardier with a stronger immune system than our pampered pets which some will fill with antibiotics whether they require them or not !! ""Prevention being better than cure"" therefore a weakened immune system. Why are Turkeys or Chickens often the recipitents off viruses, could it be the fact they are fed pelleted feed which contain antibiotics and prior to entering the food chain will have been weaned off to show they are free of medication and fit for human consumption..BANG.. Just my opinion.

Agree 100% and into the bargain with us eating them we are also getting treated with antibiotics.

[Dave barrie]

listen hear peter p ,this virus has been brout in by commercial breeders for the seasonal needs of the country, the survey was done on feral , aye okay but it prove the pigeon is a gene apart from poultry or fowl and isnt easily accseptible to contract the bird flue therefore we shouldnt be affected by this crap, as for wild birs carrying the flue, well i see no sighns of it up here in the north where there are thousands of woocock and all manner of birds in country and hawks, buzzard etc thriving after herst, this is purely a comercial thing and shouldnt effect pigeon men, but we will all be tarred with the same brush i suppose, i will not confine my doo.s end of./

[Froog]

No one makes you eat them, plus, animals or birds for Human consumption, when treated, normally have a cooling off period before slaughter, as advised by the drug companies ?

[Froog]

listen hear peter p ,this virus has been brout in by commercial breeders for the seasonal needs of the country, the survey was done on feral , aye okay but it prove the pigeon is a gene apart from poultry or fowl and isnt easily accseptible to contract the bird flue therefore we shouldnt be affected by this crap, as for wild birs carrying the flue, well i see no sighns of it up here in the north where there are thousands of woocock and all manner of birds in country and hawks, buzzard etc thriving after herst, this is purely a comercial thing and shouldnt effect pigeon men, but we will all be tarred with the same brush i suppose, i will not confine my doo.s end of./

Totally agree

[Guest IB]

The problem with Ian's post is that the research he quotes is donkey's years out of date and also predates the wildfire spread of H5N1 throughout Asia in the late 1990's culminating in it spreading to Western Europe and finally arriving here in Scotland in Fife in the winter of 2006. Most of the scientific community thought as the virus could infect and kill humans this would be the world-wide pandemic that strikes in cycles of X years (can't remember the actual number) but when it did come it was a much milder form H9N? that laid a few hundred thousands of us low around 2009 but didn't do any of us in - not that I'm complaining. So bad they just stopped counting!

 

Gordon Chalmers posted this in 2010 which is the various bits of research done going back to the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak and the first human deaths. From memory, Vietnam was the worst affected. Warning - it's not easy to read - real heavy going.

 

http://pigeonnetwork.com/articles/Avian_Influenza_pigeons_Scientific.html

[Froog]

Man flu is worse

[Guest IB]

Pandemic Flu, Britain.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pandemic-flu

[Guest johnhunter]

nuff said phil, its been taken in by the commercials but theyll blame it on wildfowl migrating and the whole country will be on lockdown but not me, defra can visit me and test the doo,s but will find nowt,mine will fly free and anyone on hear can shout me down but i dinna give a ?, my doo,s will fly open bowl like they allways have and allways will

CLOWN

[Froog]

CLOWN

Why is he a clown? he speaks the truth. Always this time of year they blame migrating birds, when in fact its caused by importing fowl for our festive season. Everyone is entitled to an opinion without being called a clown.

[Ian McKay]

The problem with Ian's post is that the research he quotes is donkey's years out of date and also predates the wildfire spread of H5N1 throughout Asia in the late 1990's culminating in it spreading to Western Europe and finally arriving here in Scotland in Fife in the winter of 2006. Most of the scientific community thought as the virus could infect and kill humans this would be the world-wide pandemic that strikes in cycles of X years (can't remember the actual number) but when it did come it was a much milder form H9N? that laid a few hundred thousands of us low around 2009 but didn't do any of us in - not that I'm complaining. So bad they just stopped counting!

 

Gordon Chalmers posted this in 2010 which is the various bits of research done going back to the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak and the first human deaths. From memory, Vietnam was the worst affected. Warning - it's not easy to read - real heavy going.

 

http://pigeonnetwork.com/articles/Avian_Influenza_pigeons_Scientific.html

 

 

Yes Ian it's a lot to digest but as I see it we are not carriers or it does not affect our birds

 

I know you can never say never but it is looking good for our birds

 

I also know they may carry it if venturing into some contaminated area but unlikely at this time of year

 

I do believe DEFRA are flexing there muscles and we can expect a lot more interest in our transport systems and crates / panniers and as the rules have been in place since about 2005 we the pigeon fancy have had tme to make sure our transporters are DEFRA compliant but alas a lot of organisations are just plain ignorant or unwilling to accept the rules and the power DEFRA have.

[Roland]

listen hear peter p ,this virus has been brout in by commercial breeders for the seasonal needs of the country, the survey was done on feral , aye okay but it prove the pigeon is a gene apart from poultry or fowl and isnt easily accseptible to contract the bird flue therefore we shouldnt be affected by this crap, as for wild birs carrying the flue, well i see no sighns of it up here in the north where there are thousands of woocock and all manner of birds in country and hawks, buzzard etc thriving after herst, this is purely a comercial thing and shouldnt effect pigeon men, but we will all be tarred with the same brush i suppose, i will not confine my doo.s end of./

 

Actually it is man made on purpose. The Bush junior and Rumble stilskin (his hoppo) sold their Oil shares to finance it. Further they got the senate to fork up £8 billion dollars to. then sold worthless anti dopes at $200,000 shots at a throw, Blairs government , like so many other bought colossal amounts, FOR a remedy that only slowed it down, became dormant for a short spell.

The U.S.A. were took to the Helsinki courts and found guilty, and fined etc.

The USA then closed every loop hole so that in future that couldn't be again. Hence why they are STILL trying to take the U.S.A to court with their follow up 'Swine Fly.

Google it!

Actually Bush jnr and Rumpole supplied the worthless anti dope and made more than their OIL shares!

 

While you are at it read some of these:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=avian+flu+deterent&form=EDGTCT&qs=PF&cvid=46bf2f0b919b4cd3b086f882a6933553&pq=avian+flu+deterent

 

U.S. Government Stockpiling H5N1 Vaccine If Needed

The United States federal government maintains a stockpile of H5N1 vaccine.