What Happens

[THE FIFER]

what other way can a vote be won, other than a majority vote, (I am getting a bit rusty on those subjects now )

[DJL]

what other way can a vote be won, other than a majority vote, (I am getting a bit rusty on those subjects now )

You can form a government with a minority vote but you can't join a doo club

[Williedoo]

what other way can a vote be won, other than a majority vote, (I am getting a bit rusty on those subjects now )

 

Some need 2 thirds majority.

[Tony C]

I'm sorry to say but the whole way membership applications are dealt with is wrong!!!

[THE FIFER]

Some need 2 thirds majority.

 

yes 2 thirds majority , but thats only special occasions, and stil a majority vote

[showman]

On the issue of voting, and tied votes. It would initially be a question of consulting the Clubs' own rules. If not covered or a case of the club not having its' own rules, I would maintain my questioning and take it to your Region (if RPRA).

The whole issue of refusing membership has become laughable, and something which needs to be seriously looked at.

[Ian McKay]

Some need 2 thirds majority.

 

 

Not for membership in a club in Scotland

[THE FIFER]

lots of old rules need sorting. one i could never understand is shu club rule 3/ The management of a club shall be vested in the Committee of management, which shall consist of a minimum of 5 members, including President,Vice President,and Secretary and Treasurer, the chairman to have a deliberative and casting vote, the secretary and/or treasurer shall keep a record of all business transacted. should any member of committee absent himself from 3 consecutive meetings without satisfactory reason his place may be declared vacant, and another appointed to act in his stead,,,,,,,,,,

i know Feds have committees to run them, but how many clubs are run by a committee, most i know are run by all members,

[Williedoo]

Not for membership in a club in Scotland

 

Archie asked what other way A vote could be won.He did not state membership.

[Ian McKay]

Archie asked what other way A vote could be won.He did not state membership.

 

 

But the original post was about membership :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[Tony C]

what other way can a vote be won, other than a majority vote, (I am getting a bit rusty on those subjects now )

Challenge the clubs constitution.

[THE FIFER]

yes willie see your point but the only way a vote can be won is by majority, whether it be norm or 2 third, its a majority vote, just for the record, SHU Standing orders for meetings, not going to quote it all but id dose state at all general meetings the chairman shall have a deliberative and casting vote, its the usual Willie we can all argue all day re rules, keeps us active, lots of the rules are older than me the shu rulebook i have is 2005

[Kyleakin Lofts]

The 2016 Rule books are being issued just now. If you are a paid up SHU member, then your Federation secretary should be receiving rule books to distribute to the Clubs for issue to their members.

[Williedoo]

yes willie see your point but the only way a vote can be won is by majority, whether it be norm or 2 third, its a majority vote, just for the record, SHU Standing orders for meetings, not going to quote it all but id dose state at all general meetings the chairman shall have a deliberative and casting vote, its the usual Willie we can all argue all day re rules, keeps us active, lots of the rules are older than me the shu rulebook i have is 2005

 

There was a rule book came out after that. As far as i know only

the club secretaries got one. The one i got is in the club rooms

somewhere, never had to look for it.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Stevie brought up a very valid point earlier. Most organisations now have an equality policy. They are organised in such manner as not to debar anyone on ethnic, gender etc, reasons. Why do pigeon clubs still require proposer and seconder? If a suitable person writes to apply for membership, the application should be accepted. The Management Committee should then speak with the person to make enquiries about their suitability and then recommend to the members whatever further action is required. You may say that the Management Committee become the proposer and seconder for formality purposes, but why on earth would we consider a refusal of a suitable person?

[THE FIFER]

There was a rule book came out after that. As far as i know only

the club secretaries got one. The one i got is in the club rooms

somewhere, never had to look for it.

 

yes would think so , as said lots of old rules Willie,

[VMS]

Stevie brought up a very valid point earlier. Most organisations now have an equality policy. They are organised in such manner as not to debar anyone on ethnic, gender etc, reasons. Why do pigeon clubs still require proposer and seconder? If a suitable person writes to apply for membership, the application should be accepted. The Management Committee should then speak with the person to make enquiries about their suitability and then recommend to the members whatever further action is required. You may say that the Management Committee become the proposer and seconder for formality purposes, but why on earth would we consider a refusal of a suitable person?

Seems you live in a perfect world,reality is somewhat different Andy.equal opertunitys only apply to the eligible.

[DJWa]

There was a rule book came out after that. As far as i know only

the club secretaries got one. The one i got is in the club rooms

somewhere, never had to look for it.

 

ive 2 in front of me willie a 2005 issue and a 2014 issue

both the same

[DJWa]

Stevie brought up a very valid point earlier. Most organisations now have an equality policy. They are organised in such manner as not to debar anyone on ethnic, gender etc, reasons. Why do pigeon clubs still require proposer and seconder? If a suitable person writes to apply for membership, the application should be accepted. The Management Committee should then speak with the person to make enquiries about their suitability and then recommend to the members whatever further action is required. You may say that the Management Committee become the proposer and seconder for formality purposes, but why on earth would we consider a refusal of a suitable person?

 

lots of reasons why people are not voted in andy

 

 

eg

by letting in a known trouble maker

by letting in someone who is always late to pay their dues

someone who stands and watches while others do the work at race marking

someone whos birds were not well kept and would be put in baskets next to yours

the list is endless

 

would you let in someone ,

if it was going to cost you existing members leaving if they got in

 

remember in some clubs the members have built up their clubs to a healthy state

they don't want anyone in who could destroy that

 

remember not everyone gets along

 

and these reasons have got nothing to do with how good a person flys their birds

[demolition man]

The chair gets the casting vote.

 

The chair only as the casting vote if its in the rules. In my club the chair does not have a casting vote

[ovy1255]

lots of reasons why people are not voted in andy

 

 

eg

by letting in a known trouble maker

by letting in someone who is always late to pay their dues

someone who stands and watches while others do the work at race marking

someone whos birds were not well kept and would be put in baskets next to yours

the list is endless

 

would you let in someone ,

if it was going to cost you existing members leaving if they got in

 

remember in some clubs the members have built up their clubs to a healthy state

they don't want anyone in who could destroy that

 

remember not everyone gets along

 

and these reasons have got nothing to do with how good a person flys their birds

 

Funny how when the s h i t gets thrown sometimes it sticks to the wrong person so first point delt with

Second no pay no race next week ---sorted

plain talking from sec no work no birds on

if every club had members that would no race due to new member they deserve to walk.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

lots of reasons why people are not voted in andy

 

 

eg

by letting in a known trouble maker Unsuitable

by letting in someone who is always late to pay their dues Unsuitable

someone who stands and watches while others do the work at race marking Requires education

someone whos birds were not well kept and would be put in baskets next to yours Requires education

the list is endless

 

would you let in someone ,

if it was going to cost you existing members leaving if they got in Unsuitable

 

remember in some clubs the members have built up their clubs to a healthy state

they don't want anyone in who could destroy that

 

remember not everyone gets along

 

and these reasons have got nothing to do with how good a person flys their birds

 

All questions answered except the highlighted one. The highlighted one is the downfall of the pigeon fancy. Personalities!!!

Is it a fault in the current Club member that they are unable to "get along" with any particular person or is it that particular person who is unsuitable to be a Member? The Management Committee, if performing their duty properly, would have to ensure the suitability of the unknown candidate. The members could be introduced via a social, be it a show or prize night. I don't think these matters should be rushed since a simple error could cause the demise of a Club.

 

Vinny, I understand reality having lived in it for a long number of years. My point was in regard to an unknown quantity being prevented from joining through the lack of knowledge of a current member. If the prospective member was a "shrinking violet", they may be too nervous to approach the gate of a fancier to enquire about future procedures and the fancier they approach may be a "run of the mill" member who does little or nothing to assist them.

 

Do we publicise ourselves enough. Gone are the days of radio announcing the release of pigeons from Rennes and the whole village waiting to find out if one of its fanciers had timed a "good one".

Edited March 2, 2016 by Kyleakin Lofts

[clockman]

http://www.shuonline...onstitution.pdf

but its not updated since the 2014 AGM

[Kyleakin Lofts]

http://www.shuonline.co.uk/documents/SHUConstitution.pdf

 

I don't know whether this has been updated yet, but as I stated earlier, 2016 hard copies are being distributed just now.

[clockman]