Where Will You ?

[THE FIFER]

When I look over the Forth it's a line of those wind props on the highest ground, now birds would have to be high to pass over them, or do they change course, and those props are all over the country now, could they be making birds change course,

[Kyleakin Lofts]

When I look over the Forth it's a line of those wind props on the highest ground, now birds would have to be high to pass over them, or do they change course, and those props are all over the country now, could they be making birds change course,

 

Don't think they go over them unless they are really high in the sky. Most times they would deviate round them just like they do for trees and hills, etc.

[andy]

with todays race proving tough for most of us ,where will you be pointing the finger ?? at the race controller , the weatherman , medication cabinet (or not) or maybe into the mirror ??

who do you blame ? or help find a solution ?

Well Andy, I've got to defend the race controller as we (Pentland Fed) were the first Federation in the sky yesterday as the English feds above us were waiting on us getting past them. Speaking to the majority of fanciers there is only the odd bird (1,2,3)missing across the federation. Looking at your results this year I would say your loft isn't yet in form and this could be the reason for your losses. I noticed Henrik has losses too, but he didn't send any last week! Could be the reason, also inexperienced yearlings, (not raced as young birds) or late breds seem to be the majority missing. Also you can't expect them to hit the loft all together at 170 miles nowadays with BOPS etc. Just spoke to our race controller this second and he says you've to go to the market today and buy a big Fecking mirror.

[geordie1234]

Well Andy, I've got to defend the race controller as we (Pentland Fed) were the first Federation in the sky yesterday as the English feds above us were waiting on us getting past them. Speaking to the majority of fanciers there is only the odd bird (1,2,3)missing across the federation. Looking at your results this year I would say your loft isn't yet in form and this could be the reason for your losses. I noticed Henrik has losses too, but he didn't send any last week! Could be the reason, also inexperienced yearlings, (not raced as young birds) or late breds seem to be the majority missing. Also you can't expect them to hit the loft all together at 170 miles nowadays with BOPS etc. Just spoke to our race controller this second and he says you've to go to the market today and buy a big Fecking mirror.

Pmsl

[Tony C]

Once upon a time ........... there was no internet, no mobile phones, only 3 channels on the TV and a weather forecast once a day after the news. feds never cancelled, delayed basketing or changed racepoints. Pigeons were took to their designated racepoints and in the main it was up to the convoyers discretion when the birds were libbed, a pre-arranged time was set in some cases (no mobile phones) as there was no way to communicate on most of the lib sites.

Training was done by rail, a note was attached to the basket where you would like them libbed.......... and they were libbed at that place regardless of the weather.

What I'm getting at is pigeons were much more hardy then than now, they faced the elements on a regular basis and pigeons were judged on these performances and these same pigeons were the ones we bred from. IMO the evolution of technology and the type of pigeon we now race go hand in hand, we now house lightweights compared to years ago.

 

The end.

[Novice]

I doubt if there was a common factor in all the poor races yesterday.

Frankly each organisation (and loft within that organisation) may point the finger in different directions.

The fact that North and South road pigeons are liberated in a corridor on the east coast on the same day is ridiculous to say the least.

All race control (at least into Scotland) should be coordinated centrally especially for young birds.

Once we have sorted that lot out we then need fanciers to realise that inexperienced, untrained pigeons seldom become assets.

As far as my own organisation is concerned yesterday the birds hit rain in the last 30 miles which was heavier than predicted.

[calder boy]

Well Andy, I've got to defend the race controller as we (Pentland Fed) were the first Federation in the sky yesterday as the English feds above us were waiting on us getting past them. Speaking to the majority of fanciers there is only the odd bird (1,2,3)missing across the federation. Looking at your results this year I would say your loft isn't yet in form and this could be the reason for your losses. I noticed Henrik has losses too, but he didn't send any last week! Could be the reason, also inexperienced yearlings, (not raced as young birds) or late breds seem to be the majority missing. Also you can't expect them to hit the loft all together at 170 miles nowadays with BOPS etc. Just spoke to our race controller this second and he says you've to go to the market today and buy a big Fecking mirror.

Hi Andy

If all the English feds were waiting for us to lib how come the hull north Road libbed at 7am at Alnwick possible they could have came together at some point

[andy]

Hi Andy

If all the English feds were waiting for us to lib how come the hull north Road libbed at 7am at Alnwick possible they could have came together at some point

expletive remove thats 100 mile away, I'm talking abt Wetherby and Ripon Doos. If you went in a 100 mile radius you'd get a race every third week!

 

Once upon a time ........... there was no internet, no mobile phones, only 3 channels on the TV and a weather forecast once a day after the news. feds never cancelled, delayed basketing or changed racepoints. Pigeons were took to their designated racepoints and in the main it was up to the convoyers discretion when the birds were libbed, a pre-arranged time was set in some cases (no mobile phones) as there was no way to communicate on most of the lib sites.

Training was done by rail, a note was attached to the basket where you would like them libbed.......... and they were libbed at that place regardless of the weather.

What I'm getting at is pigeons were much more hardy then than now, they faced the elements on a regular basis and pigeons were judged on these performances and these same pigeons were the ones we bred from. IMO the evolution of technology and the type of pigeon we now race go hand in hand, we now house lightweights compared to years ago.

 

The end.

Great Post!!! Some sense at last!!!

[OLDYELLOW]

Two important point here are fitness and poorly schooled birds I would only just consider my birds as been fit now , but even my broken birds have at best been poorly schooled , I'm using the mirror for my problems along with having broken birds but I knew I'd have these problems from the start , get the fat off the barley fed and show them basket

[calder boy]

expletive remove thats 100 mile away, I'm talking abt Wetherby and Ripon Doos. If you went in a 100 mile radius you'd get a race every third week!

 

 

Great Post!!! Some sense at last!!!

 

Yes 100 miles away in that wind,our birds would be heading up east coast and they would be heading down

[walterboswell59]

Well Andy, I've got to defend the race controller as we (Pentland Fed) were the first Federation in the sky yesterday as the English feds above us were waiting on us getting past them. Speaking to the majority of fanciers there is only the odd bird (1,2,3)missing across the federation. Looking at your results this year I would say your loft isn't yet in form and this could be the reason for your losses. I noticed Henrik has losses too, but he didn't send any last week! Could be the reason, also inexperienced yearlings, (not raced as young birds) or late breds seem to be the majority missing. Also you can't expect them to hit the loft all together at 170 miles nowadays with BOPS etc. Just spoke to our race controller this second and he says you've to go to the market today and buy a big Fecking mirror.

what a load of p*ss most guys including myself timed the most unfit birds in the loft the birds i have to come were the best trained birds in lanarkshire the birds i timed were going to there second race ater 7 and 8 tosses lots of guys in my own club timed birds away for there first race so how do you explain that

[walterboswell59]

also been told today by a race controller that after agreeing with other race controllers on a lib time to avoid clashing that some went ahead and lib at a different time than they had agreed to these people should be reported to there unions whats the point in agreeing a lib time with others then going ahead and liberating idiots no wonder we have bad racing

[geordie1234]

I don't think for one minute lanarkshire fed clashed....

 

It was a bad race simple as that and yes I'm hurting I have two pigeons that flew thw whole programme last year including ypres awol

 

Sht happens and our controller done everything he could have done.

 

Was reading a pigeon gazette from the 50's guess what the main topic was??? Yip you guessed it a bad race so it's nothing new

 

 

My guess for what it's worth bop played it's part... with guys reporting quite a few damaged pigeons

[hotrod]

also been told today by a race controller that after agreeing with other race controllers on a lib time to avoid clashing that some went ahead and lib at a different time than they had agreed to these people should be reported to there unions whats the point in agreeing a lib time with others then going ahead and liberating idiots no wonder we have bad racing

 

Happened last week to us too wattie just the same sh it. Different weekend.

[frank-123]

7500 dont get turned with other pigeons to face a south wind. Clashing forget it. Staring you in the face

 

 

PEREGRINE the one and only cause

[tiger]

7500 dont get turned with other pigeons to face a south wind. Clashing forget it. Staring you in the face

 

 

PEREGRINE the one and only cause

ur 100% frank

[frank-123]

Yes we both know it John. First up takes the pounding and the guys after that get a better run. Wait and see the doos getting reported in Manchester area in the next few days if they have not flown themselves into the ground.

[We man]

also been told today by a race controller that after agreeing with other race controllers on a lib time to avoid clashing that some went ahead and lib at a different time than they had agreed to these people should be reported to there unions whats the point in agreeing a lib time with others then going ahead and liberating idiots no wonder we have bad racing

Don't know if you will agree Walter but IMO some see themselves as some sort of superior being and they are always right,olso why do we have Scots feds skittering about all over the place when we could all be going within a 20 ml radius of each other better still together but we know that wont happen,big fish small pond,OMO.

[tiger]

Don't know if you will agree Walter but IMO some see themselves as some sort of superior being and they are always right,olso why do we have Scots feds skittering about all over the place when we could all be going within a 20 ml radius of each other better still together but we know that wont happen,big fish small pond,OMO.

good post :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[frankdooman]

I think wee are getting carried away with clashing believe me you,s will know when you clash yes the odd fancier/ doo,s will get threw on time but that will be it for hrs or even days many other reasons for yesterday and maybe a wee bit of each yes it is part and parcel now to get the later birds back hawked that's just because they are still/ only targets after the racers have passed and Percy has had there 1st strike and split them the bad thing is that that could happen 6/10 in one race bad weather untrained birds late breds wee could go on and on that's life wee just need to get on with it and as delboy says get of your erase and try and do something if every fancier tried it once per season I don't think wee would put a big hole in our main problem

[walterboswell59]

Don't know if you will agree Walter but IMO some see themselves as some sort of superior being and they are always right,olso why do we have Scots feds skittering about all over the place when we could all be going within a 20 ml radius of each other better still together but we know that wont happen,big fish small pond,OMO.

agree wee man got to be something better than what we are doing

[knoxjn]

if we had combine races for the different areas you would solve a lot of the issues but we cant have that cause somebodys granddad fell out with somebody else granddad in nineteen canteen also they wouldn't have the first ten in the fed cause thier birds were pulled of the racing line if I have missed any excuses please don't bother to mention them lets just keep going till there is no racing left lol

[We man]

if we had combine races for the different areas you would solve a lot of the issues but we cant have that cause somebodys granddad fell out with somebody else granddad in nineteen canteen also they wouldn't have the first ten in the fed cause thier birds were pulled of the racing line if I have missed any excuses please don't bother to mention them lets just keep going till there is no racing left lol

Spot on.

[geordie1234]

agree wee man got to be something better than what we are doing

 

What could Lanarkshire have done differently yesterday walter?