dal2 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Just gave the wife a look at the list Rab and she is still rabbiting on now( half hour later)loads of tranquillisers and hormone replacememt drugs plus others that wudnae be prescribed tae the worst nutters lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 why would aspirin be banned or what good does it do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankdooman Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 That ones easy George aspirin thins the blood and allows more oxygen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 why would aspirin be banned or what good does it dothins the blood george im glad i dont run anymore im taking about 8 diff things on that list m8 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNSEE Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 why would aspirin be banned or what good does it do substances that mask pain are banned.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C WRIGHT Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 my exact point how the hell can anyone buying a product continiously look for all this on labelsi cant even say half the words we would all have to get secretary surely its down the the companies that are selling to make sure the product is fit for racing pigeons and rules or maybe the products that are ok should carry a label approved by such and such a board for british pigeon racing theres one thing for sure wont be easy to do test for all these individual product and if so it would cost a fortune i kmow on working sites they test randomly for ap to 8 drugs and that cost a fortune sure is a mine field no easy solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 thins the blood george im glad i dont run anymore im taking about 8 diff things on that list m8 lolshould have added and none make me any faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankdooman Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 my exact point how the hell can anyone buying a product continiously look for all this on labelsi cant even say half the words we would all have to get secretary surely its down the the companies that are selling to make sure the product is fit for racing pigeons and rules or maybe the products that are ok should carry a label approved by such and such a board for british pigeon racing theres one thing for sure wont be easy to do test for all these individual product and if so it would cost a fortune i kmow on working sites they test randomly for ap to 8 drugs and that cost a fortune sure is a mine field no easy solution Just as I say how can anyone police that it's a joke and any of the cheats see that they will know that plus that list might just let them know a few more now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Chevita make a general product that contains a banned substance on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Just as I say how can anyone police that it's a joke and any of the cheats see that they will know that plus that list might just let them know a few more now Frank it is amazing what pigeonmen would try. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 there plenty of products that contain stuff on that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Your right Frank,thats the message that I have tried to get over since this topic started,too many times have I seen various rules passed at club level that were unworkable and just fell by the wayside after a short period of time.One thing that I did notice when reading through the SANPO documents were birds competing from a"One Loft Race"being treated can be given banned substances as it would be deemed fair because all were treated and would therefore be on equal terms....interesting,why dont we just open it right up and let members give their birds anything that they want ? Before I get lambasted for even mentioning such a thing,I dont for a minute believe it would make a difference as to who are winning at present and who are the also rans.....JBC/.. Think you are right here To give a 'performance enhancing' substance to a pigeon that isn't immaculately bred, 100% fit, healthy and motivated would be futile. As for 'doping' and some fanciers perceptions of it. I doubt that it's even possible in pigeon racing - especially from national races in recent times where the birds can be in the baskets for anything between two days to a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNSEE Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I must say that I did not realize that any drug that masks pain is a banned substance....here is a senario for one to ponder one of your birds is attacked by a bop,not to serious but blood is drawn,first thing you do is clean up the wound,perhaps spread on some antiseptic substance,perhaps you take it to vet who because he will probably not have a clue but he will give,at a cost an antibiotic.......BANG goes your banned substance free pigeon,how can you control such things.....you cant most of us would give a injured bird any substance if it relieved the pain..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Think you are right here To give a 'performance enhancing' substance to a pigeon that isn't immaculately bred, 100% fit, healthy and motivated would be futile. As for 'doping' and some fanciers perceptions of it. I doubt that it's even possible in pigeon racing - especially from national races in recent times where the birds can be in the baskets for anything between two days to a week. LewisYou changed your mind since Blackpool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I must say that I did not realize that any drug that masks pain is a banned substance....here is a senario for one to ponder one of your birds is attacked by a bop,not to serious but blood is drawn,first thing you do is clean up the wound,perhaps spread on some antiseptic substance,perhaps you take it to vet who because he will probably not have a clue but he will give,at a cost an antibiotic.......BANG goes your banned substance free pigeon,how can you control such things.....you cant most of us would give a injured bird any substance if it relieved the pain.....this is a stupid comment , why would you be sending a bird thats badly injured enough to warrant v treatment by a vet to a race the following week . Any treatments would be well gone by the time you got the bird back into race condition which wouldnt be 7 days latter . The list is to stop birds being sent to the races full of it!!! not to stop birds from getting the required medical attention . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 LewisYou changed your mind since Blackpool. There's dope and there's dope Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 There's dope and there's dope Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 why would aspirin be banned or what good does it do Thinning of the blood which will boost endurance and aid quicker recovery. According to Google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNSEE Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 this is a stupid comment , why would you be sending a bird thats badly injured enough to warrant v treatment by a vet to a race the following week . Any treatments would be well gone by the time you got the bird back into race condition which wouldnt be 7 days latter . The list is to stop birds being sent to the races full of it!!! not to stop birds from getting the required medical attention . sorry I am not a toxicologist so therefore I cannot say how long traces of various substances would remain in the blood stream,but if you read tambla 51 post he stated his whole loft was tested....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 This subject is just Dopey to me and any fancier using any of those substances mentioned previously is nothing but SCUM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankdooman Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Think you are right here To give a 'performance enhancing' substance to a pigeon that isn't immaculately bred, 100% fit, healthy and motivated would be futile. As for 'doping' and some fanciers perceptions of it. I doubt that it's even possible in pigeon racing - especially from national races in recent times where the birds can be in the baskets for anything between two days to a week. Exactly Lewis I will give you the most enhancement drug used in the pigeon sport and would virtually guarantee that every fancier trying with birds has is using it it's called HEMP. Seed but it's release to the bird is over 24 hrs so no good above say 200 Mls different oils have a different release time so can be used for som longer races but I don't know of any that would last say 3/4 days so are these a banned substance. NO why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Last year six birds in Belgium were found to have pain killers in their blood and one with cocaine. 2014 the belgians are going to tighten the drug testing policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Last year six birds in Belgium were found to have pain killers in their blood and one with cocaine. 2014 the belgians are going to tighten the drug testing policy.Jesus christ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 sorry I am not a toxicologist so therefore I cannot say how long traces of various substances would remain in the blood stream,but if you read tambla 51 post he stated his whole loft was tested.......neither am i but you would not be sending a bird to a race thats injured so wouldnt matter what the vet gave it . I know what you trying to say that circumstances could dictate what a birds had or dosent have , but most birds injured bad enough will be out of the race team for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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