geordie1234 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 This product says discontinue 7 days before basketting can only presume its banned? http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Cafevit-tonic-1000ml/productinfo/CAFEVITD/
just ask me Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 Id belive so as its a stimulant which I belive would do more harm to a pigeon Id want my birds resting sleeping if possible in the basket not been wide awake for 12 hrs or more only to be tired when its release time One of the reasons basket training is so important of course learning how to drink but what i feel is more important that birds know what its like to be in a basket over night and know how to rest in them i belive a lot don't learn this propely as babies and it comes as a massive shock to them when there put into a basket
JOHNSEE Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 This product says discontinue 7 days before basketting can only presume its banned? http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Cafevit-tonic-1000ml/productinfo/CAFEVITD/ Its not possible to say a product is banned simply by the product name,it is in the ingredients that make up the product,some of them may be on the banned substance list.
WulDon Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 Simple questions....simple to answer ? has the SNFC or any similar organisation actually produced a list of banned substances? if not couldn't see the case standing too long in a court room imo... if so maybe someone can post it up along with the answers to JOHNSEE questions??
WulDon Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 i'm sure its sent out with the entry forms ect, you don't need banned substances to get disqualified these days... :emoticon-0136-giggle:
geordie1234 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 Its not possible to say a product is banned simply by the product name,it is in the ingredients that make up the product,some of them may be on the banned substance list.I know that but the fact that said stop using 7 days before racing is a big clue
Guest stb- Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 i actually seen the 3 page banned list when i was over in ireland last week and caffine is on it lots of things like asprin co codamol im sure the caffeince can be traced for longer than 7 days so not worth the risk using the cafevit tonic its some of the fanciers that need tested for drugs not the doos
geordie1234 Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 As jam said fk sending your doo to a race full off caffeine or with any substance..
Guest stb- Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 As jam said fk sending your doo to a race full off caffeine or with any substance..i always thought it was good to send your birds calm not like a jittering junkie bouncing aff the basket
Delboy Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 i always thought it was good to send your birds calm not like a jittering junkie bouncing aff the basket Its us that's the jittering junkies waiting on them lol
Guest stb- Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 Its us that's the jittering junkies waiting on them loli yer right valium all round doctor lol
Delboy Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 i yer right valium all roun doctor lol lol, the neighbours feed me drink on a Saturday to keep me subdued lol
blaz Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 drug testing birds at fed leval can,t see that happning .just for a O/B Y/B season would be around £2000.thats just the winner each week.if the prizes are big enough you will always find some fool trying to win them the cheats way. it could be horses dogs pigeons or us.would like to see a wide range of drug testing done in pige3on racing.say over a year in the uk.then look at the stats to see if their is a need to have drug testing put in force. ps i would always welcome anyone who wanted to test my birds.as their is always plenty of droppings to go please bring big bags.
WulDon Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Its us that's the jittering junkies waiting on them lol try the diazepam mate...
showman Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Was having a quick look at the I.H.U list this morning, and there's 198 substances on it.
JOHNSEE Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Was having a quick look at the I.H.U list this morning, and there's 198 substances on it. South African National Pigeon Organization...(SANPO) banned substance list as at Sept.2004 I count 386 banned substances,they also list the products that contain these substances,this list was to be updated periodicaly....massive,problems lie ahead if testing is to become the norm, Before adopting a testing policy I feel that it would have be printed and presented to firm of solicitors who in turn would seek the advice of a law firm and let them advise on the likly outcome in a court of law should any members bird tested positive for a banned substance.
Delboy Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 try the diazepam mate... Did you know me and big Gareth were buying Diazepam in the Arona race and we couldn't get the money transferred. Then you stepped in and bought it and won all sorts with it. You lucky f....r lol
frankdooman Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Sory I've not had time to read threw all the posts so I apologise if this has been asked before Can any one put up the list of banned enhancement drugs as I can't see how wee can police any of this until the union,s ( all of them) get tere house in order if wee don't know what's in the stuff do u think the union,s would chance a possible court case with the rules they have in place just now I think not JMO
Guest stb- Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Sory I've not had time to read threw all the posts so I apologise if this has been asked before Can any one put up the list of banned enhancement drugs as I can't see how wee can police any of this until the union,s ( all of them) get tere house in order if wee don't know what's in the stuff do u think the union,s would chance a possible court case with the rules they have in place just now I think not JMOhere is the list . there some stuff ie brohexim cafeboost etc being sold openly in the homming world every week . LIST OF PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES FOR RACING PIGEONS 2014 Before giving any substance to your pigeons, please check that it does not contain any of the following substances which are banned by the Irish Homing Union. This list will be updated as further information comes to hand, and all members are advised to check regularly for additions. AcebutololAcetylsalicylic AcidAcid SalicylateAdrenalineAescinAlfentanilAmbuphyllineAminophylineApomorphineAspirinAtenololBeclomethasone DiproplonateBenzocaineBeta-EstradiolBeta-Hydroxyethyl TheophyilineBetamethasoneBetamethasone AcetateBetamethasone DipropionateBetamethasone Disodium PhosphateBethamethasone ValerateBisoprololBromhexineBudesonideBumetanideBupivacaineBuprenorphineCaffeineCaffeine AnhydrousCaffine CitrateCarprofenCarteololCarvedilolCelecoxibChorionic GenadotrophinClanobutinClobetasol PropionateClobetasone ButyrateCodeine HydrochlorideCodeine PhosphateConjugated OestrogensCortisone AcetateCyproterone AcetateDanazolDexamethasoneDexamethasone Sodium PhosphateD-Propoxphene NapsylateDesogestrelDexamethasoneDexamethasone Disodium PhosphateDexamethasone Sodium SulphateDextro-PropoxpheneDibucaineDiclofenac DiethylammoniaDiclofenac PotassiumDiclofenac SodiumDiethylamine SalicylateDiflucortolone ValerateDihydrocodeineDiprenorphineDuratestonDygrogesteroneEltenacEphedrineEpinephrineEsmololEstradiolEstradiol CyplonateEstradiol 17 BetaEstradiol BenzoateEstradiol HemihydrateEstradiol PhenyipropionateEstropipate SodiumEtafedrineEtamyphyline CamsylateEthinyl OestradiolEthylenediamineEtofyllineFenoterolFentanylFludrocortisoneFluestone AcetateFlumethasoneFluxixinFluocinoloneFluorogestoneFluorometholoneFlurbiprofenFluticasone PropionateFormoterolGestodeneGestrinoneGlycopyrrolateGondadotrophinGuaifenesinGualphenesinHexoprenalineGondadotrophinHuman LHErythropoletinHydrocortisoneHydrocortisone AcetateHydrocortisone Sodium SuccinateHydrocortisone 17 ButyrateHydroxyethyl TheophyllineHyoscine N ButylbromideHysoscineHysocyamineIbuprofenIdomethacinIpratropium BromideKetamineKetoprofenL-ephedrineLabetalolLevobuprivacaineLevonorgestrelLidocaineLignocaineLornoxicanMedrogestoneMedroxyprogesteroneMedroxyprogesterone AcetateMefenamic AcidMegestrolMelengestrolMeloxicamMepivacaineMepyramineMesteroloneMetenolone AcetateMethocarbamolMethyl SalicylateMethylphedrineMethylphenidateMethylprednisoloneMethylprednisolone AceponateMethylprednisolone AcetateMetipranololMetoprololMometasone FuroateMorphine9-FluoropednisoloneNabumetoneNadololNandrolone DecanoateNandrolone LaurateNaproxenNoradrenalineNorthisteroneNorthisterone AcetateNorgestimateNorgestometNorgestrelNorpseudoephedrine HydrochlorideOestradiolOestradiol BenzoateOestrasiol ValerateOestriolOrciprenalineParacetamolParecoxibPemolinePentazocainePentifyllinePentoxifyllinePethidinePhenazonePheniraminePheniramine MaleatePhenylbutazonePhenylephedrinePhenylephrinePhenylpropanolaminePhenyltoloxaminePholcodinePiroxicamPrednisolonePrednisonePrilocaineProcaone Benzyl PenicillinProcvaine PenicillinProgesteroneProllgestonePropranololPseudoephedrineRamifenazoneRofecoxibSalbutamolSalicylamideSalicylateSalicylic AcidSalmeterolSoluble Insulin AspartProtamine Crystalised InsulinSomatropinSotalolSufentanilSullindacTamoxifenTenoxicamTerbutalineTesteroneTestosterone CypionateTestosterene DecanoateTestosterone IsocaproateTertosterone PhenylpropionateTestosterone PropionateTestosterone UndecanoateTetracaine HydroclorideTheophyllineTilidineTimololTramadolTrenboloneTriamcinoloneTriamcinolone AcetonideTriprolidineVedaprofenXylazine  The responsibility is on the fancier to ensure that none of the above substances are given to the pigeons, whether or not it is listed as part of the contents. February, 2014
JOHNSEE Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Sory I've not had time to read threw all the posts so I apologise if this has been asked before Can any one put up the list of banned enhancement drugs as I can't see how wee can police any of this until the union,s ( all of them) get tere house in order if wee don't know what's in the stuff do u think the union,s would chance a possible court case with the rules they have in place just now I think not JMO Your right Frank,thats the message that I have tried to get over since this topic started,too many times have I seen various rules passed at club level that were unworkable and just fell by the wayside after a short period of time.One thing that I did notice when reading through the SANPO documents were birds competing from a"One Loft Race"being treated can be given banned substances as it would be deemed fair because all were treated and would therefore be on equal terms....interesting,why dont we just open it right up and let members give their birds anything that they want ? Before I get lambasted for even mentioning such a thing,I dont for a minute believe it would make a difference as to who are winning at present and who are the also rans.....JBC/..
Guest stb- Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 LIST OF PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES FOR RACING PIGEONS 2014 Before giving any substance to your pigeons, please check that it does not contain any of the following substances which are banned by the Irish Homing Union. This list will be updated as further information comes to hand, and all members are advised to check regularly for additions. AcebutololAcetylsalicylic AcidAcid SalicylateAdrenalineAescinAlfentanilAmbuphyllineAminophylineApomorphineAspirinAtenololBeclomethasone DiproplonateBenzocaineBeta-EstradiolBeta-Hydroxyethyl TheophyilineBetamethasoneBetamethasone AcetateBetamethasone DipropionateBetamethasone Disodium PhosphateBethamethasone ValerateBisoprololBromhexineBudesonideBumetanideBupivacaineBuprenorphineCaffeineCaffeine AnhydrousCaffine CitrateCarprofenCarteololCarvedilolCelecoxibChorionic GenadotrophinClanobutinClobetasol PropionateClobetasone ButyrateCodeine HydrochlorideCodeine PhosphateConjugated OestrogensCortisone AcetateCyproterone AcetateDanazolDexamethasoneDexamethasone Sodium PhosphateD-Propoxphene NapsylateDesogestrelDexamethasoneDexamethasone Disodium PhosphateDexamethasone Sodium SulphateDextro-PropoxpheneDibucaineDiclofenac DiethylammoniaDiclofenac PotassiumDiclofenac SodiumDiethylamine SalicylateDiflucortolone ValerateDihydrocodeineDiprenorphineDuratestonDygrogesteroneEltenacEphedrineEpinephrineEsmololEstradiolEstradiol CyplonateEstradiol 17 BetaEstradiol BenzoateEstradiol HemihydrateEstradiol PhenyipropionateEstropipate SodiumEtafedrineEtamyphyline CamsylateEthinyl OestradiolEthylenediamineEtofyllineFenoterolFentanylFludrocortisoneFluestone AcetateFlumethasoneFluxixinFluocinoloneFluorogestoneFluorometholoneFlurbiprofenFluticasone PropionateFormoterolGestodeneGestrinoneGlycopyrrolateGondadotrophinGuaifenesinGualphenesinHexoprenalineGondadotrophinHuman LHErythropoletinHydrocortisoneHydrocortisone AcetateHydrocortisone Sodium SuccinateHydrocortisone 17 ButyrateHydroxyethyl TheophyllineHyoscine N ButylbromideHysoscineHysocyamineIbuprofenIdomethacinIpratropium BromideKetamineKetoprofenL-ephedrineLabetalolLevobuprivacaineLevonorgestrelLidocaineLignocaineLornoxicanMedrogestoneMedroxyprogesteroneMedroxyprogesterone AcetateMefenamic AcidMegestrolMelengestrolMeloxicamMepivacaineMepyramineMesteroloneMetenolone AcetateMethocarbamolMethyl SalicylateMethylphedrineMethylphenidateMethylprednisoloneMethylprednisolone AceponateMethylprednisolone AcetateMetipranololMetoprololMometasone FuroateMorphine9-FluoropednisoloneNabumetoneNadololNandrolone DecanoateNandrolone LaurateNaproxenNoradrenalineNorthisteroneNorthisterone AcetateNorgestimateNorgestometNorgestrelNorpseudoephedrine HydrochlorideOestradiolOestradiol BenzoateOestrasiol ValerateOestriolOrciprenalineParacetamolParecoxibPemolinePentazocainePentifyllinePentoxifyllinePethidinePhenazonePheniraminePheniramine MaleatePhenylbutazonePhenylephedrinePhenylephrinePhenylpropanolaminePhenyltoloxaminePholcodinePiroxicamPrednisolonePrednisonePrilocaineProcaone Benzyl PenicillinProcvaine PenicillinProgesteroneProllgestonePropranololPseudoephedrineRamifenazoneRofecoxibSalbutamolSalicylamideSalicylateSalicylic AcidSalmeterolSoluble Insulin AspartProtamine Crystalised InsulinSomatropinSotalolSufentanilSullindacTamoxifenTenoxicamTerbutalineTesteroneTestosterone CypionateTestosterene DecanoateTestosterone IsocaproateTertosterone PhenylpropionateTestosterone PropionateTestosterone UndecanoateTetracaine HydroclorideTheophyllineTilidineTimololTramadolTrenboloneTriamcinoloneTriamcinolone AcetonideTriprolidineVedaprofenXylazine  The responsibility is on the fancier to ensure that none of the above substances are given to the pigeons, whether or not it is listed as part of the contents. February, 2014
JOHNSEE Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 quite a list do you know how the I.H.U.are going to police such rules.....are they going to test birds,if so at what level i.e. club,federation,Nationals,Opens. or are just stating that these are banned substances and hope that no one will use them?....cheers
tommy bhoys Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 .*expletive removed* i just failed thats it nae sports for me will stick way my cider and lying on this couch some list
frankdooman Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Rab is this for real Jesus most of them I can't say never mind what they could be in
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