Newcastle Disease

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I have never vaccinated against it before but was just wondering whether I should be.

I found this and after reading that the Uk doesn't have a problem the end bit about variant virulent virus confused me and made me none the wiser to wether a vaccine would be feisable or not. Does anyone on here vaccinate for Newcastle disease and if so what are your reasons.

 

Newcastle disease is a highly contagious disease of birds caused by certain strains of avian paramyxovirus (APMV1). Occasionally virulent strains of APMV1, normally only found in pigeons, can infect poultry causing Newcastle disease.

 

Birds affected by this disease include fowls, turkeys, geese, ducks, pheasants, guinea fowl and other wild and captive birds, including ratites such ostriches, emus and rhea.

 

Poultry in Great Britain are currently free of Newcastle disease but a variant virulent virus has been endemic in racing pigeons since 1983.

 

The virulence of the viruses also vary from very high to mild. Viruses of low virulence are used throughout the world as vaccines. The virulent viruses are OIE List A pathogens and infection consitutes a notifiable disease.

Im assuming Its saying that poultry don't have it but pigeons do ?

[Guest stb-]

I have never vaccinated against it before but was just wondering whether I should be.

I found this and after reading that the Uk doesn't have a problem the end bit about variant virulent virus confused me and made me none the wiser to wether a vaccine would be feisable or not. Does anyone on here vaccinate for Newcastle disease and if so what are your reasons.

 

Newcastle disease is a highly contagious disease of birds caused by certain strains of avian paramyxovirus (APMV1). Occasionally virulent strains of APMV1, normally only found in pigeons, can infect poultry causing Newcastle disease.

 

Birds affected by this disease include fowls, turkeys, geese, ducks, pheasants, guinea fowl and other wild and captive birds, including ratites such ostriches, emus and rhea.

 

Poultry in Great Britain are currently free of Newcastle disease but a variant virulent virus has been endemic in racing pigeons since 1983.

 

The virulence of the viruses also vary from very high to mild. Viruses of low virulence are used throughout the world as vaccines. The virulent viruses are OIE List A pathogens and infection consitutes a notifiable disease.

Im assuming Its saying that poultry don't have it but pigeons do ?

racing pigeon have adifferent strain of newcastle disease ie a variant virus

[Guest Owen]

According to the Continental Vet De Weerd YBS is another variant of the disease. I have taken him at his word and vaccinated my youngsters twice each year at 5 weeks and at 9 weeks.

All my old birds are vaccinated at the end of November to give them a good start for breeding so that they can't infect the youngsters.

I have not had any sign of YBS since I have been doing things this way.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Racing pigeons must be vaccinated against PMV which is the variant strain. Your club sec should require a list of vaccinated birds and any not on the list should not be allowed to race.

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Pmv is a different disease to Newcastle disease altogether, I know all pigeons have to be innoculated against PMV and that it is a compulsary requirment but to innoculate against anything else is a choice. Newcastle disease has its own vaccine.

[Wiley]

Pmv is a different disease to Newcastle disease altogether, I know all pigeons have to be innoculated against PMV and that it is a compulsary requirment but to innoculate against anything else is a choice. Newcastle disease has its own vaccine.

 

"Newcastle disease (ND) is a highly contagious disease of birds caused by a paramyxo virus. Many species of birds, including commercial, wild and pet birds, can be affected. The disease is a worldwide problem and sporadic outbreaks occur frequently. The last outbreak in chickens and turkeys in the UK was in 1997. It occurred in pheasants in 2005 and in partridges in 2006." Quoted from DEFRA

[David_vet]

Just to confirm there is no need to vaccinate against Newcastle disease because you are already doing it.

 

 

Newcastle disease is caused by Avian Paramyxovirus 1. Paramyxovirus of pigeons is also an Avian Paramyxovirus 1. Fortunately, we can distinguish between the two using genetic probes. Pigeons can be infected with the chicken strain and vice versa.

 

Suspicion of both infections is Notifiable to DEFRA. Paramyxovirus of pigeons will not cause YBS. If it was suspected that it was the cause, then either fancier or vet should have reported this suspicion to DEFRA.

 

Whilst the pigeon virus is slightly different from the chicken virus many who remember the beginning of paramyxovirus in pigeons will also remember that the first vaccines used to protect pigeons were the chicken Newcastle disease vaccines. Since then better vaccines have been developed using a smaller dose. Nobilis Paramyxo P201 is made from pigeon prarmyxovirus strain P201 and is a 0.25ml dose. Colombovac PMV contains Newcastle disease virus, strain LaSota, chicken paramyxovirus and is a 0.2ml dose.

 

So by vaccinating against parmyxovirus of pigeons, you are also effectively vaccinating against Newcastle disease.

 

Sunday will see me helping vaccinate the old birds.

 

David

[lanarkshire lad]

Just to confirm there is no need to vaccinate against Newcastle disease because you are already doing it.

 

 

Newcastle disease is caused by Avian Paramyxovirus 1. Paramyxovirus of pigeons is also an Avian Paramyxovirus 1. Fortunately, we can distinguish between the two using genetic probes. Pigeons can be infected with the chicken strain and vice versa.

 

Suspicion of both infections is Notifiable to DEFRA. Paramyxovirus of pigeons will not cause YBS. If it was suspected that it was the cause, then either fancier or vet should have reported this suspicion to DEFRA.

 

Whilst the pigeon virus is slightly different from the chicken virus many who remember the beginning of paramyxovirus in pigeons will also remember that the first vaccines used to protect pigeons were the chicken Newcastle disease vaccines. Since then better vaccines have been developed using a smaller dose. Nobilis Paramyxo P201 is made from pigeon prarmyxovirus strain P201 and is a 0.25ml dose. Colombovac PMV contains Newcastle disease virus, strain LaSota, chicken paramyxovirus and is a 0.2ml dose.

 

So by vaccinating against parmyxovirus of pigeons, you are also effectively vaccinating against Newcastle disease.

 

Sunday will see me helping vaccinate the old birds.

 

David

Dave what is your opinion on vaccinating for salmonella and paramyxo at the same time with a live vaccine for paratyphus and an inactive vaccine for paramyxo {Noblis]

[just ask me]

Dave what is your opinion on vaccinating for salmonella and paramyxo at the same time with a live vaccine for paratyphus and an inactive vaccine for paramyxo {Noblis]

 

 

if vaccinating for para or salmonella my advice is to use a antibiotic first then wait for at least 2 days before you vaccinate as its bacterial vaccine they must be clear before you vaccinate on doing the two together i cant see why it cant be done but i dont think i have done it like that

[REDCHEQHEN]

Dave what is your opinion on vaccinating for salmonella and paramyxo at the same time with a live vaccine for paratyphus and an inactive vaccine for paramyxo {Noblis]

 

 

 

if vaccinating for para or salmonella my advice is to use a antibiotic first then wait for at least 2 days before you vaccinate as its bacterial vaccine they must be clear before you vaccinate on doing the two together i cant see why it cant be done but i dont think i have done it like that

 

 

Didn't know your name was Dave

 

As an observation - I don't think live paratyphoid vaccines for pigeons have been approved for use in this country

[MIK]

if vaccinating for para or salmonella my advice is to use a antibiotic first then wait for at least 2 days before you vaccinate as its bacterial vaccine they must be clear before you vaccinate on doing the two together i cant see why it cant be done but i dont think i have done it like that

 

I call that improper use of antibiotics

whether we need these vaccines or not is questionable....but that advice of using an antibiotic before even administrating it is just wrong. I understand reasons why you would use it ...but expletive remove is are pigeons not weak enough without weakening them more by wrong use of antibiotics.

 

Mick

[philg50]

Didn't know your name was Dave

 

As an observation - I don't think live paratyphoid vaccines for pigeons have been approved for use in this country

Dont you think we are useing enough vaccine when doing pmv

[REDCHEQHEN]

Dont you think we are useing enough vaccine when doing pmv

 

I only use the PMV Vaccine personally

 

I notice there are a lot wanting to use live vaccines - but they are not approved in this country - using live vaccines (approved or not) puts other peoples birds at risk - because you have special rules to follow - and I just know people don't follow them..... ie keep your birds confined to the loft for 4 weeks

 

To a certain extent I couldn't care less what damage people might do to their own birds - but its a different story if their actions are in anyway going to put my birds at risk.....

[just ask me]

Didn't know your name was Dave

 

As an observation - I don't think live paratyphoid vaccines for pigeons have been approved for use in this country

 

 

its not dave but still can have a opinion ive never mentioned dead or alive the treatment before using either one is a must jmo and many vets say so

[just ask me]

I call that improper use of antibiotics

whether we need these vaccines or not is questionable....but that advice of using an antibiotic before even administrating it is just wrong. I understand reasons why you would use it ...but expletive remove is are pigeons not weak enough without weakening them more by wrong use of antibiotics.

 

Mick

 

 

i agree i hate antibiotics also and i dont vaccinate for para anymore natural immunity i like aided by natural supplements

 

i was just pointing out the recommended treatment by many vets

[REDCHEQHEN]

Dave what is your opinion on vaccinating for salmonella and paramyxo at the same time with a live vaccine for paratyphus and an inactive vaccine for paramyxo {Noblis]

 

 

 

if vaccinating for para or salmonella my advice is to use a antibiotic first then wait for at least 2 days before you vaccinate as its bacterial vaccine they must be clear before you vaccinate on doing the two together i cant see why it cant be done but i dont think i have done it like that

 

 

 

its not dave but still can have a opinion ive never mentioned dead or alive the treatment before using either one is a must jmo and many vets say so

 

just ask me - you responded to someone who WAS asking an opinion about live vaccines - he was actually asking David Parsons - WHO IS A VET

[sammy]

just ask me - you responded to someone who WAS asking an opinion about live vaccines - he was actually asking David Parsons - WHO IS A VET NOT A SILLY MOD