Geraldy Trailer

[Guest IB]

Del, I think you are right, I've just had a read through the 2013 book and unless I'm missing something then I can find no reference to birds must travel in wicker baskets , IMO if it's not in the rule book then it's not a rule.

 

IB would appreciate your view on this.

 

I was reminded recently that there were two issues and two separate votes taken back-to-back at that AGM. The first was the one I remembered clearly, about Almond Valley transporter being offered for the Gold Cup that year and being voted down. The second one arose right afterwards from John Housten himself. I had remembered it as a 'discussion' on wicker baskets from the podium that ended up with a show of hands for 'we want wicker baskets'. I do remember thinking that had just consigned the club to standstill, a timewarp, but I thought the two items were related, and applied for that year only. I asked on here earlier this year for someone to have a look at the minutes of that AGM to confirm what was said as I don't have mine.

 

There is an obvious difference of opinion within the club on wicker baskets with what appears to be the majority view that wicker is best. My view is that we must move with the times. Wicker baskets no longer meet the birds' or animal welfare needs - particularly on feeding, drinking and hygiene. My view is the minority view on the Management Committee too.

[DBA421]

I was reminded recently that there were two issues and two separate votes taken back-to-back at that AGM. The first was the one I remembered clearly, about Almond Valley transporter being offered for the Gold Cup that year and being voted down. The second one arose right afterwards from John Housten himself. I had remembered it as a 'discussion' on wicker baskets from the podium that ended up with a show of hands for 'we want wicker baskets'. I do remember thinking that had just consigned the club to standstill, a timewarp, but I thought the two items were related, and applied for that year only. I asked on here earlier this year for someone to have a look at the minutes of that AGM to confirm what was said as I don't have mine.

 

There is an obvious difference of opinion within the club on wicker baskets with what appears to be the majority view that wicker is best. My view is that we must move with the times. Wicker baskets no longer meet the birds' or animal welfare needs - particularly on feeding, drinking and hygiene. My view is the minority view on the Management Committee too.

[DBA421]

IAN, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. WICKER BASKETS, IN MY OPINION, SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WILL BE DEEMED UNSUITABLE BY THE ANIMAL WELFARE AUTHORITIES FOR PIGEON TRANSPORTATION. IAN, ASK YOURSELF WHY IS IT YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY ON THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. COULD IT BE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE MONETARY VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE WICKER BASKETS ARE USED, WHILE OTHERS APPEAR TO HAVE AND WANT TO PROTECT THE MONEY GOING TO CERTAIN FEDERATIONS.

[Guest IB]

At the inaugeral meeting of the 2013 Management Committee Dr Lynch made it clear in his address that although we were delegates representing our Federation interests, we had to look to the greater SNFC interest.

 

In fairness, certain Feds have faithfully provided services to SNFC over the years, and deserve recognition and consideration for continued business.

[tiger]

At the inaugeral meeting of the 2013 Management Committee Dr Lynch made it clear in his address that although we were delegates representing our Federation interests, we had to look to the greater SNFC interest.

 

In fairness, certain Feds have faithfully provided services to SNFC over the years, and deserve recognition and consideration for continued business.

 

ian these fed have done very well out of the snfc over the years but the time has come that it must be shared out as we are all members of the nat ? jmo

[dkj]

IAN, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. WICKER BASKETS, IN MY OPINION, SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WILL BE DEEMED UNSUITABLE BY THE ANIMAL WELFARE AUTHORITIES FOR PIGEON TRANSPORTATION. IAN, ASK YOURSELF WHY IS IT YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY ON THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. COULD IT BE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE MONETARY VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE WICKER BASKETS ARE USED, WHILE OTHERS APPEAR TO HAVE AND WANT TO PROTECT THE MONEY GOING TO CERTAIN FEDERATIONS.

 

wicker baskets have done fine for the last 100 years in snfc racing. but since certain feds have got geraldys and now they want everybody to use them.

[Guest bigda]

wicker baskets have done fine for the last 100 years in snfc racing. but since certain feds have got geraldys and now they want everybody to use them.

 

yes thats what i say, stick with wicker baskets, you have the use of a trailer, that can take you all and more 200 baskets. the fife transporter must get your vote so as to keep the truck on the road. and fanciers in the sport, handicap the big truck now, would make a few clubs fold, if they have to buy new transporters and chip in to buy one.

the national should have been the ones that bought the transporters but they have missed the boat big time, and now look like idiots there was a wee guy from broxburn charlie think that was his name,that used to do work out all the velocities with a pencil, and done all that for sixpence

yet others find it hard to place a finger on a keyboard without wanting x amount and even then wanting less time to do it for the same wage with a statement like that taking less time can only mean easier to do, less work less pay

[Big Davie]

I was reminded recently that there were two issues and two separate votes taken back-to-back at that AGM. The first was the one I remembered clearly, about Almond Valley transporter being offered for the Gold Cup that year and being voted down. The second one arose right afterwards from John Housten himself. I had remembered it as a 'discussion' on wicker baskets from the podium that ended up with a show of hands for 'we want wicker baskets'. I do remember thinking that had just consigned the club to standstill, a timewarp, but I thought the two items were related, and applied for that year only. I asked on here earlier this year for someone to have a look at the minutes of that AGM to confirm what was said as I don't have mine.

 

There is an obvious difference of opinion within the club on wicker baskets with what appears to be the majority view that wicker is best. My view is that we must move with the times. Wicker baskets no longer meet the birds' or animal welfare needs - particularly on feeding, drinking and hygiene. My view is the minority view on the Management Committee too.

Ian, thanks for the reply giving your honest view of this situation, I think the minutes relating to the subject from this meeting would have to be clarified, IMO the fact remains if it is not in the book as a rule then it is not in fact a rule and throws the issue open to discussion at the AGM, whilst I am a member of Lanarkshire Fed I am not advocating that the SNFC should use their transporters but like yourself I do believe that under duty of care to both the birds and the members that this great club must ensure that it uses the very best methods of transportation that are available and this again IMO would exclude the use of wicker baskets in an older style conventional transporter, I don't know if this would be a minority view if a poll were taken of the members at large but I doubt it.

[Guest bigda]

Ian, thanks for the reply giving your honest view of this situation, I think the minutes relating to the subject from this meeting would have to be clarified, IMO the fact remains if it is not in the book as a rule then it is not in fact a rule and throws the issue open to discussion at the AGM, whilst I am a member of Lanarkshire Fed I am not advocating that the SNFC should use their transporters but like yourself I do believe that under duty of care to both the birds and the members that this great club must ensure that it uses the very best methods of transportation that are available and this again IMO would exclude the use of wicker baskets in an older style conventional transporter, I don't know if this would be a minority view if a poll were taken of the members at large but I doubt it.

 

you can not make the baskets redundant now at this agm, as they have no other choice but to go with the fife transporter and baskets for the inland races , there are no available transport for them, thank god, as we will have the use of our own instead of it gathering stour we might hire them to the nat for ypres at the going rate, of say £40 per basket

[1967]

Sounds good better than the £500 take it or leave it deal Midlothian were offered last year.Mind you as they said every fed in Scotland was queing up for the SNFC to use there transporters

[Big Davie]

you can not make the baskets redundant now at this agm, as they have no other choice but to go with the fife transporter and baskets for the inland races , there are no available transport for them, thank god, as we will have the use of our own instead of it gathering stour we might hire them to the nat for ypres at the going rate, of say £40 per basket

Danny, their might not be any inland races and I feel Newbury will almost certainly go, it was only retained last year on the casting vote of the chairman.

[dkj]

yes thats what i say, stick with wicker baskets, you have the use of a trailer, that can take you all and more 200 baskets. the fife transporter must get your vote so as to keep the truck on the road. and fanciers in the sport, handicap the big truck now, would make a few clubs fold, if they have to buy new transporters and chip in to buy one.

the national should have been the ones that bought the transporters but they have missed the boat big time, and now look like idiots there was a wee guy from broxburn charlie think that was his name,that used to do work out all the velocities with a pencil, and done all that for sixpence

yet others find it hard to place a finger on a keyboard without wanting x amount and even then wanting less time to do it for the same wage with a statement like that taking less time can only mean easier to do, less work less pay

 

danny come 2 the snfc agm and have your SAY

[Henrik]

danny come 2 the snfc agm and have your SAY

Danny canny come cos he,s no a member, canny even be bothered to go to his own Fed AGM, too much to say and a lot more to learn

[VMS]

Seems very cheap too me,the SNFC should make a offer IMO

[Guest bigda]

Danny canny come cos he,s no a member, canny even be bothered to go to his own Fed AGM, too much to say and a lot more to learn

 

bobby you need too cut the fife guys some slack, put that trailer out the game and what are you left with next year. The Lanarkshire will no be able to accommodate you next year if we take in all the midland fed, so get that sorted out before its to late bigda only here for the pilgrim, and should another fed join some other that you relied on you goose is cooked as there will no be any room for inland races as that is where you get the money to pay staff. we are all running down a single track and there ain't nothing going to stop us

Edited December 3, 2013 by bigda