Natural Versus Widowhood

[philg50]

The question i ask is if a sprint type doo is on natural will it beat or keep up with widowhood cocks or hens ,can natural compete with widowhood,roundabout i am going to fly natural with a sprint, long distance mixture of doos ,I think controling the build up of food progressing through the week must be the important factor what do you say.

[blaz]

i fly natural and do ok in my fed and club with others on widowhood and roundabout

[Delboy]

distance- natural, sprint/middle- widowhood

[philg50]

Well can i pick your brains ,when you put to the first race what position are your doos in ,are they sittin eggs or young and do you pair up March or earlier Blaz.

[Guest Owen]

I have no doubt that a skilled flyer can win with natural pigeons even if it is against the widowhood people. A close friend did just that for years on end and scored regularly at Natural level. He was retired at the time and spent all day every day with his birds, something I would not consider. As I say I wouldn't consider Natural because it would take up too much time and I am not prepared to spend my life with pigeons. I fled widowhood for years and did well with it but found that it took too much time and the birds wouldn't stay in form for the season. In addition I found that I didn't want the messing with the hens.

These days I fly Celibate Cocks which must be the easiest system of flying pigeons there is. They will win from all distances and they rarely go off form and I don't have to mess with hens. If there is a down side it is that you do not get youngsters from the cocks and you need really good stock birds to make sure you have youngsters good enough to race and win. It is possible to take one round of youngsters from the race cocks but I don't because I want them ready to win races from the first race forward. Rearing youngsters knocks the birds back in form and it takes a couple of weeks to get them back to race winning form. Much the same as widowhood cocks really.

[geordie1234]

On the celibate front Owen could you pair early ie start of Jan then split?

[blaz]

Well can i pick your brains ,when you put to the first race what position are your doos in ,are they sittin eggs or young and do you pair up March or earlier Blaz.

 

my birds go to races sitting our feeding our both also some driving hens. i pair up well before march .as for next year weather permitting i will have yb,s rung in jan .

[andy Burgess]

The question i ask is if a sprint type doo is on natural will it beat or keep up with widowhood cocks or hens ,can natural compete with widowhood,roundabout i am going to fly natural with a sprint, long distance mixture of doos ,I think controling the build up of food progressing through the week must be the important factor what do you say.

I have seen natural beat widowhood and both beat roundabout and all combinations of the 3 systems .I believe you find a system that suits you and your birds is the "BEST" one , you need to find your system.

from this I understand its the "motivated" pigeon that wins regardless jmho.

[Guest Owen]

geordie1234

yes you can pair early if you like but if you do it is better if you take the youngsters and the hens away when the youngsters are 14 days old. I take the nest pan youngsters and all and put it on the floor of the young bird loft. Ideally take several hens and their babies away together and you will find that all the hens will feed all the youngsters. By doing things that way you will rear the best of youngsters and the cocks will not start driving the hen for the second nest. After a few days to recover from rearing and after they get over the sulks the cocks will start to fly and gradually develop their fitness. Feed them barley to appetite with the additives I explained about before and they will be ready to train in about 2/3 weeks.

[geordie1234]

Thanks for the reply mate

[walterboswell59]

i fly natural and win from the first race to the last and prefer it for two main reasons one i can watch and read when my birds are ready and two i dont want all my birds in the same condition at the same time as only one bird can win the race

[William Reid]

i fly natural and win from the first race to the last and prefer it for two main reasons one i can watch and read when my birds are ready and two i dont want all my birds in the same condition at the same time as only one bird can win the race

It doesn't matter what system your on only one pigeon can win the race ( or be your first home ) but on natural can pick a pooler easier me thinks :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

The question i ask is if a sprint type doo is on natural will it beat or keep up with widowhood cocks or hens ,can natural compete with widowhood,roundabout i am going to fly natural with a sprint, long distance mixture of doos ,I think controling the build up of food progressing through the week must be the important factor what do you say.

The answer is yes your natural sprint pigeon could beat the widowhood pigeons, but this would be the exception rather than the rule as cocks sitting at certain nest times will not have the consistent motivation that a widowhood pigeon will have.

[Guest Owen]

billy99

you are dead right about picking poolers. With my system I never know what bird is going to turn up any day. It is very rare for them to be behind but mine are like a lot of hounds when they are on form. It would be impossible to pick any one out from the rest. That's the down side. The up side is when I get a group drop together from a race and when they exercise I can see them against the forestry about 2 miles away flying down the valley from here. Mind you when they exercise like that it makes my nerves bad because you never know when a falcon will have a go at them.

[walterboswell59]

It doesn't matter what system your on only one pigeon can win the race ( or be your first home ) but on natural can pick a pooler easier me thinks :emoticon-0140-rofl:

aye sometimes billy lol but in saying that mr burgess does ok at the pooling with widowhood cocks id just pool them all m8 if there racing that is

[walterboswell59]

i fly natural and win from the first race to the last and prefer it for two main reasons one i can watch and read when my birds are ready and two i dont want all my birds in the same condition at the same time as only one bird can win the race

forgot to add my birds are all distance blood go figure

[geordie1234]

Sometimes ye just have to go with what your work commitments allow you to do

[walterboswell59]

Sometimes ye just have to go with what your work commitments allow you to do

true george work has to come first pal your doos just have to work round the time you have m8

[eastcoaster]

I raced roundabout last season and the birds flew well mostly (4 x1sts 3x2nds ) the first races I was getting 4or5together but I only ever time 2 in , but I found it hard to keep the cocks up forit for more than 2weeks and the end result was I never done as well at the races I really wanted to , I think it was a lot to do with work commitment as I can only exercise both sexes once per day and couldn't train them as knowbody here to get them in .

So I think it will be natural this coming season as I am also mostly interested in the distance races .

[TheHigg]

had a half hearted attempt at widowhood didnt work for me so changed to what i will call happy pigeons just let them doo what they wanted 4x1sts and plenty in the first 6 2x2nd section only andy eadie [budgie] beating me twice best season ive had so i know what system i will be racing this coming season [happy dooz]

[andy Burgess]

had a half hearted attempt at widowhood didnt work for me so changed to what i will call happy pigeons just let them doo what they wanted 4x1sts and plenty in the first 6 2x2nd section only andy eadie [budgie] beating me twice best season ive had so i know what system i will be racing this coming season [happy dooz]

well done pal

[paddymac]

Sometimes ye just have to go with what your work commitments allow you to do

Definately George, working 12hr shifts both day and nights not much good especially tending to the birds during the winter months. I look forward to the longer races as I seem to fit it into my other commitments.

[yeboah]

John hodgson has won seven scottish national races from France all widowhood cocks

[philg50]

had a half hearted attempt at widowhood didnt work for me so changed to what i will call happy pigeons just let them doo what they wanted 4x1sts and plenty in the first 6 2x2nd section only andy eadie [budgie] beating me twice best season ive had so i know what system i will be racing this coming season [happy dooz]

I think i will be doing much the same ,I have loads of time but with bad health i just dont have the energy so trying to let them get on natural i think is for me .All the coments and ideas coming from the members has given me something to think about and i can only but thank you .

[andy Burgess]

I think i will be doing much the same ,I have loads of time but with bad health i just dont have the energy so trying to let them get on natural i think is for me .All the coments and ideas coming from the members has given me something to think about and i can only but thank you .

good honest post Phil , all the best for the coming season