Snfc Proposals For 2014

[yeboah]

I would like to give the east route a real go, because of the way the UK sits it would give a fairer measurement to all and most east route races have been successful, the biggest disasters in recent years have been mid to west race points, Newbury, Cheltenham, Bovingdon, Messiac, My idea of a race program would be,

 

Either no first inland or Huntingdon?

1 Maidstone.

2 Ypres.

3 Gold Cup Liège.

4 Longest Race either Cologne, Dusseldorf or Dortmund.

5 Brussels.

Thoughts please.

I personally couldn't call those races disasters got 100% from Newbury Cheltenham bovington , dropped one at Marlborough , I personally feel that to many birds thrown into the first national that should be on a perch at home ,The race program should be set for years used to be sartilly Rennes Nantes not all this changing every year ,would be very surprised with Lanarkshire racing the true centre route in 2014 any of there members wanting to swing there birds away of line for the nationals ? However I will go with the. Vote regardless and will be more than happy getting a wee turn noo.and then atb

[Delboy]

why is that Derek

would your birds not fly up the west and not dogleg from the east

 

Aberdeens one of the furthest east points in Scotland and yet if you draw a straight line south you end up in Southampton in the middle of England. As said in post 94, the country lies in a dogleg and is unfair unless you go east.

[moscow master]

If Security is an issue Derek then surely that can be dealt with at each individual marking station

Eggsaxtly George if each station is run properly then security shouldn't be a problem the word cheating is used to often imo even this year there's talk down my way of top names getting watched just sour grapes imo was the man in question caught if not its out of order the way he's been bullied its the same all over club ,fed level win out of turn your up to no good etc instead of praise but that's doomen for ye the green eyed monsters a terrible thing there's one thing certain if it was my name that was getting tarnished the rumour mongers would. Be getting there door chapped and be getting a bunnet fa heiders lol

[yeboah]

That's where birds should be racing from straight in the middle of England fair to all not hugging coastlines jmho

[gulkie]

I would like to give the east route a real go, because of the way the UK sits it would give a fairer measurement to all and most east route races have been successful, the biggest disasters in recent years have been mid to west race points, Newbury, Cheltenham, Bovingdon, Messiac, My idea of a race program would be,

 

Either no first inland or Huntingdon?

1 Maidstone.

2 Ypres.

3 Gold Cup Liège.

4 Longest Race either Cologne, Dusseldorf or Dortmund.

5 Brussels.

Thoughts please.

What you are saying makes sense ,and I like your race points it is time for change.

[robbiedoo.]

That's where birds should be racing from straight in the middle of England fair to all not hugging coastlines jmho

 

 

My thoughts aswell for what their worth

[bullcock]

I personally couldn't call those races disasters got 100% from Newbury Cheltenham bovington , dropped one at Marlborough , I personally feel that to many birds thrown into the first national that should be on a perch at home ,The race program should be set for years used to be sartilly Rennes Nantes not all this changing every year ,would be very surprised with Lanarkshire racing the true centre route in 2014 any of there members wanting to swing there birds away of line for the nationals ? However I will go with the. Vote regardless and will be more than happy getting a wee turn noo.and then atb

While some individuals get good results in these races, if my memory serves me right the overall returns were poor and we need to look at the big picture.

[bullcock]

Belgian racepoints are good for the south and west sections

but the east and especially the north east lofts would be measured

flying over water nearly all the way

 

the only fair route is inline with the middle of England into france

this way the birds have the choice of flying up the west,centre or east routes

I hope this map is displayed, it shows a line from Cologne to central Scotland, if fanciers think the birds fly up the entire north sea to Aberdeen, they are deluded, but if this was the case everyone's birds are flying most of the journey in the north sea, the west birds will still be dog legging into the west but the measurements will be fairer.

[DJWa]

I hope this map is displayed, it shows a line from Cologne to central Scotland, if fanciers think the birds fly up the entire north sea to Aberdeen, they are deluded, but if this was the case everyone's birds are flying most of the journey in the north sea, the west birds will still be dog legging into the west but the measurements will be fairer.

 

put your line up to fraserburgh, and you are nowhere near land

I would guess the birds cross into the south of England then head up the country

the furthest north lofts get slaughtered with distance

 

I think we only get about 20 miles from Dundee and 50 odd from Edinburgh

when in reality were prob losing around 40 or 50 when they come up the coast

[yeboah]

I hope this map is displayed, it shows a line from Cologne to central Scotland, if fanciers think the birds fly up the entire north sea to Aberdeen, they are deluded, but if this was the case everyone's birds are flying most of the journey in the north sea, the west birds will still be dog legging into the west but the measurements will be fairer.

I would think if the birds did not get a line into England they would have to much water to cross then follow the coast and end up in Norway especially in a sw wind also would be crossing over tens of thousands of birds racing into belguim holland ask Stefan van moubrek at national dinner and he will confirm that .

Let's get back to Rennes where the gold cup should be from Snfc history at its best .

[robbiedoo.]

I hope this map is displayed, it shows a line from Cologne to central Scotland, if fanciers think the birds fly up the entire north sea to Aberdeen, they are deluded, but if this was the case everyone's birds are flying most of the journey in the north sea, the west birds will still be dog legging into the west but the measurements will be fairer.

 

 

Dear me are young the wind up the west doos still have to dog leg . What about the doos that fly north into the north o Scotland fed where west is from Peterhead/fraserburgh right up to Inverness . Dog leg more like pulling your leg :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[Kyleakin Lofts]

What a stupid *expletive removed* question, expletive remove.

I expected something like that for being a smart ass.

 

Being serious, if security is your main point, why can't the SNFC appoint official markers and handlers as they did in the past, but at the present marking stations, apart from Newhouse which according to all reports appears unfit for purpose? Having read the thread, this appears to be the main gripe regarding security. I appreciate that it doesn't solve the basketing of birds from all areas into mixed baskets at the one source, but surely when they are released, at least for a short time they form the one flock. The one central marking station would serve only to reduce numbers for all the aforementioned reasons and perhaps in this manner have an effect of the main drag.

Are any of my point correct? If not please educate me.

[hotrod]

I'm not getting into it's not fair I stay west stuff , all I can say is the race that has prob the best returns overall is Ypres , is it the distance or is it the direction . ? My take on the later is , there is a high population of perirgrines all along the south coast , so every week through the racing season there is a slaughter of Pigeons , but where our pigeons cross the water from Ypres there is not many bops to contend with so most make it across thus most get home , this is the only reason I would vote for easterly race points ,not for overfly ,yes it's probably fairer to the west , but I don't care what direction we race from its returns. That I'm interested in , if u have a bad race the only ones happy are the winners , but if u have good returns then all are happy ,.

[Guest IB]

I would think if the birds did not get a line into England they would have to much water to cross then follow the coast and end up in Norway especially in a sw wind also would be crossing over tens of thousands of birds racing into belguim holland ask Stefan van moubrek at national dinner and he will confirm that .

Let's get back to Rennes where the gold cup should be from Snfc history at its best .

 

Remember that Stefan is a race controller and currently advises SNFC on both Ypres and our French races, so he would also advise on any proposed 'more easterly' racepoints. The other safeguard against clashing with birds on mainland Europe would be a Friday liberation for all our Channel races. My understanding is that races from Spain / France into Belgium, Holland, Germany etc are Saturday libs.

[Guest bigda]

fly from the west and there is no dog legging for any one the first birds to stike for home wins the race every single fancier gets there true measurement nothing in there flight path to stop them with most weeks tail winds

who would be scared to send to such places and should any fanciers pull out of such races would you be missed don't think so.

[Delboy]

fly from the west and there is no dog legging for any one the first birds to stike for home wins the race every single fancier gets there true measurement nothing in there flight path to stop them with most weeks tail winds

who would be scared to send to such places and should any fanciers pull out of such races would you be missed don't think so.

 

Danny, what ye talking about, how can ye get 500-600 miles going west. This is the national we are talking about , not a middle distance club that some think.

[Delboy]

I hope this map is displayed, it shows a line from Cologne to central Scotland, if fanciers think the birds fly up the entire north sea to Aberdeen, they are deluded, but if this was the case everyone's birds are flying most of the journey in the north sea, the west birds will still be dog legging into the west but the measurements will be fairer.

 

We flew Liege and Les Mckay won it in Carnoustie.He told me he watched his pigeon coming in off the sea.The birds were up in a west by s.w wind and his bird mustve flown over 400 miles of water. We don't know what our pigeons are capable of until we test them.

[dal2]

We flew Liege and Les Mckay won it in Carnoustie.He told me he watched his pigeon coming in off the sea.The birds were up in a west by s.w wind and his bird mustve flown over 400 miles of water. We don't know what our pigeons are capable of until we test them.

We have friends in the Hull area who race from eastern France/Belgium. They live on the coast and say the birds near always return from off the coast unless an east wind is fresh or strong

[Guest bigda]

Danny, what ye talking about, how can ye get 500-600 miles going west. This is the national we are talking about , not a middle distance club that some think.

 

quite easy charter a boat for £800 for the day go out along the 56th or 55.5 parallel line, 500 mile of the west coast of jura every fancier fly's 550 mile £800 is the cost about for a french race is it not the boat only goes out if the weather is favorable just as if it was on land. a fishing boat would take this job on no problem and they are big enough to take 300 baskets ask walter about that.

here is the 56th line as you can see where it goes

http://en.wikipedia...._parallel_north

https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=56,-5.683333&q=loc:56,-5.683333&hl=en&t=h&z=5

Edited October 24, 2013 by bigda

[bullcock]

put your line up to fraserburgh, and you are nowhere near land

I would guess the birds cross into the south of England then head up the country

the furthest north lofts get slaughtered with distance

 

I think we only get about 20 miles from Dundee and 50 odd from Edinburgh

when in reality were prob losing around 40 or 50 when they come up the coast

You wont get any sympathy from the west boys on measurements, and I agree that the birds will cross into the south east of England and come up the east coast as usual.

[bullcock]

I would think if the birds did not get a line into England they would have to much water to cross then follow the coast and end up in Norway especially in a sw wind also would be crossing over tens of thousands of birds racing into belguim holland ask Stefan van moubrek at national dinner and he will confirm that .

Let's get back to Rennes where the gold cup should be from Snfc history at its best .

You could be right but I would like to give it a go, surely its worth a try, "He who dares"

[bullcock]

Dear me are young the wind up the west doos still have to dog leg . What about the doos that fly north into the north o Scotland fed where west is from Peterhead/fraserburgh right up to Inverness . Dog leg more like pulling your leg :emoticon-0179-headbang:

There are sometimes birds in the north section before their is a feather inn the whole west

[Henrik]

I would like to give the east route a real go, because of the way the UK sits it would give a fairer measurement to all and most east route races have been successful, the biggest disasters in recent years have been mid to west race points, Newbury, Cheltenham, Bovingdon, Messiac, My idea of a race program would be,

 

Either no first inland or Huntingdon?

1 Maidstone.

2 Ypres.

3 Gold Cup Liège.

4 Longest Race either Cologne, Dusseldorf or Dortmund.

5 Brussels.

Thoughts please.

What would be the distance to Central Scotland for Cologne, and Brussels?

[geordie1234]

Brussels 484

Cologne 561

[bullcock]

I'm not getting into it's not fair I stay west stuff , all I can say is the race that has prob the best returns overall is Ypres , is it the distance or is it the direction . ? My take on the later is , there is a high population of perirgrines all along the south coast , so every week through the racing season there is a slaughter of Pigeons , but where our pigeons cross the water from Ypres there is not many bops to contend with so most make it across thus most get home , this is the only reason I would vote for easterly race points ,not for overfly ,yes it's probably fairer to the west , but I don't care what direction we race from its returns. That I'm interested in , if u have a bad race the only ones happy are the winners , but if u have good returns then all are happy ,.

Totally agree, Stuart, Yes East gives a fairer measurement for the majority of fanciers and yes we seem to get better returns from the east, but if the west was giving us the returns I would be wanting to fly down the west, I think too many are thinking of there own advantages and not what is best for the whole of Scotland, JMO