National Racing?

[Guest stb-]

The carlin bros of kilbarchan. Wee johnny and davie tell me all the time. They used to just send to Stafford 232 miles no further as a stepping stone or their national doos , and thay had! Outstanding performances

all my best doos never went past the first stafford either stut but were at dorchester as yearlings , only diffo now is we are getting shafted at training all over with the bassa percies

so now safer to have an extra race safty in bigger numbers , well supposed to be . Didny work the day

[hotrod]

all my best doos never went past the first stafford either stut but were at dorchester as yearlings , only diffo now is we are getting shafted at training all over with the bassa percies

so now safer to have an extra race safty in bigger numbers , well supposed to be . Didny work the day

I've only ad one toss tis year when they never came all split up , Percy is def 100% killing our great sport , think it might last another 5 years max then it will be impossible to even let them out never mind train them , and some guys are getting or had this before now and have packed in because of it.

[hotrod]

all my best doos never went past the first stafford either stut but were at dorchester as yearlings , only diffo now is we are getting shafted at training all over with the bassa percies

so now safer to have an extra race safty in bigger numbers , well supposed to be . Didny work the day

Aye but did they win ? The ones that just homed were they the better birds or did they do well at Dorchester and do even better older ?

 

Am away tae bed . Up st 5 get the birds done before work .

[trueblue]

I agree with u hot rod the sport it dying out now cos of the percy prob

[Guest chad3646]

I think you may well be right but like I said how do you stop inferior birds going. I also think that the standard of pigeon going to channel races now is not as good as it used to be. By that I mean in the old days it was usually 2 year olds to Avranches (showing my age now) then if they did ok they may go to Rennes and then Nantes. Nowadays there are folk sending yearlings and 2 y.o. to Alencon and then whatever is left to Ypres or Clermont partly to get rid of the s---e. I realise that because of predators it is very difficult for birds to survive long enough to become experienced but there is no substitute for experience imo

 

 

true jade it was never thought of years ago sending a yearling over the water, but now they are doing it but there is not many making it on a hard day jmo

[Guest stb-]

Aye but did they win ? The ones that just homed were they the better birds or did they do well at Dorchester and do even better older ?

 

Am away tae bed . Up st 5 get the birds done before work .

i they done great stut as 2 yrs olds one of my hens topped fed 2 times as yb topped fed 180 miles yr ling and 3rd sect 29th open 510 miles 4000 birds 2 yr old , she actually never went past burscough as a yearling or 2 yr old 180 miles then jumped also timed her nest m8 that night , her nest m8 flow dorchester as yrling , , sadly booth were killed by sparr hen within a week of moving 800yds to my present house and bobs 100 times worse now :emoticon-0179-headbang:

Edited June 17, 2013 by stb-

[peter pandy]

John Quinn and Chris Little basically tell it all in their posts. The SNFC in its endeavour to increase its funds have systematically destroyed Federation racing which is the basis for fanciers and encouraging confidence in the pigeon by working its way into an area it would know geographically through its young bird / yearling stage while gaining knowledge to enable it to compete as an experienced 2 year old.

The perception that if you don't want to compete from inland nationals then don't send is inadvertently stopping inexperienced pigeons from gaining knowledge from distance in their learning process to race back to their homing locality due to Feds not prepared to transport to races at a loss which is beyond my thinking as surely decent Fed Secretaries have the ability to work out what their birdage income for a race programme will approximately be.

I also being in the minority believe their should be NO SNFC run inland races and as for those who are of the opinion it would cost £10 to send a candidate across the pond then bring it on and we wont have to compete against the rubbish currently being sent. In my opinion birds not competing in the Nationals should not be entertained in the same transporter far less the same baskets.

The discussion regarding pigeons from the North having to compete at a disadvantage due to there location I am afraid does not really come into the equation as we are a democratic society and we race to time over distance regardless who or where you are located, However if I may take a look at this point in another direction !!. Newbury shows that only 560 members sent 3328 birds which equates to an average of 6 birds per member, The North Section sent 131 birds which is equal to 22 members competing which in all honesty in our democratic society means we who want distance racing which the SNFC was initially founded on are to be penalised by the 22 on the grounds of fair play.

[hotrod]

i they done great stut as 2 yrs olds one of my hens topped fed 2 times as yb topped fed 180 miles yr ling and 3rd sect 29th open 510 miles 4000 birds 2 yr old , she actually never went past burscough as a yearling or 2 yr old 180 miles then jumped also timed her nest m8 that night , her nest m8 flow dorchester as yrling , , sadly booth were killed by sparr hen within a week of moving 800yds to my present house and bobs 100 times worse now :emoticon-0179-headbang:

Ye never answered my question rab I was talking about yearlings out of Dorchester doing well out of there then doing well when older ?

 

John Quinn and Chris Little basically tell it all in their posts. The SNFC in its endeavour to increase its funds have systematically destroyed Federation racing which is the basis for fanciers and encouraging confidence in the pigeon by working its way into an area it would know geographically through its young bird / yearling stage while gaining knowledge to enable it to compete as an experienced 2 year old.

The perception that if you don't want to compete from inland nationals then don't send is inadvertently stopping inexperienced pigeons from gaining knowledge from distance in their learning process to race back to their homing locality due to Feds not prepared to transport to races at a loss which is beyond my thinking as surely decent Fed Secretaries have the ability to work out what their birdage income for a race programme will approximately be.

I also being in the minority believe their should be NO SNFC run inland races and as for those who are of the opinion it would cost £10 to send a candidate across the pond then bring it on and we wont have to compete against the rubbish currently being sent. In my opinion birds not competing in the Nationals should not be entertained in the same transporter far less the same baskets.

The discussion regarding pigeons from the North having to compete at a disadvantage due to there location I am afraid does not really come into the equation as we are a democratic society and we race to time over distance regardless who or where you are located, However if I may take a look at this point in another direction !!. Newbury shows that only 560 members sent 3328 birds which equates to an average of 6 birds per member, The North Section sent 131 birds which is equal to 22 members competing which in all honesty in our democratic society means we who want distance racing which the SNFC was initially founded on are to be penalised by the 22 on the grounds of fair play.

Great post Peter .

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Dropping all SNFC inland races may be a bit extreme, but I certainly think getting rid of the first one would be a step in the right direction.

 

Although the poll put up a couple of nights back only represents a very small percentage of the SNFC members, the decision to drop the first inland race was the slightly more popular choice.

 

We shall see what happens in January.

[ForestForever74]

got to agree there to many of the birds at the first inlands are not fit for the job which dont make it home as its early and lot of birds not had enough wing time and some just aint in order either .Personally if they were done away with i wouldnt loose any sleep over them either ,

 

Interesting point Rab but how are new members to the game supposed to find out if there birds are good enough to compete at SNFC level? I sent 4 to first inland and got 1. Its the only way to find out if they are good enough by sending them. My whites won plenty of prizes at club level and fed level but my entrant to Newbury went missing it doesn't make them bad birds that are distracting top fliers who are training for over the water, my doo's were training for over the water as well and the 3 who didn't return were just not up to the job. The book isn't closed on that breeding yet as every race wherever its from will have a different outcome and one day might just be their day. I find the SNFC an exclusive club which it should be but there has to be room for people starting in it or it wont have any long term future, always new members needed to keep it going. I do understand your point though but I don't agree with it. The inland nationals are a great starting point for newbie's and I think they should remain in place as its daunting for new members to try and compete against all these top notch fanciers.

 

I would have old format first channel race gold cup longest race back to same as first channel race

 

 

yes but remember stut there 30 miles short of hear and 40 short of you so maby adjust acordingly

[JADE]

Dropping all SNFC inland races may be a bit extreme, but I certainly think getting rid of the first one would be a step in the right direction.

 

Although the poll put up a couple of nights back only represents a very small percentage of the SNFC members, the decision to drop the first inland race was the slightly more popular choice.

 

We shall see what happens in January.

 

Did you send to Newbury and are you sending any to Maidstone?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Did you send to Newbury and are you sending any to Maidstone?

 

No and no

[Delboy]

Stuart, I send my yearlings to Maidstone and usually some go onto better things. All my good nat birds have had the same treatment. My latebreds get 230-260 miles, but the experienced yearlings go further.I can name 3 or 4 recent Gold cup west section winners off the top of my head that went to the coast as yearlings. Champion channel birds are born in the nest and no hurdle you put in front of them as yearlings phases them.

[hotrod]

Stuart, I send my yearlings to Maidstone and usually some go onto better things. All my good nat birds have had the same treatment. My latebreds get 230-260 miles, but the experienced yearlings go further.I can name 3 or 4 recent Gold cup west section winners off the top of my head that went to the coast as yearlings. Champion channel birds are born in the nest and no hurdle you put in front of them as yearlings phases them.

I'm not talking about yearlings going to the coast del , it's yearlings that win from the coast , not just coming home , to me most of these yearlings that put in a super effort from the coast to the Wild West they are a spent force for the future , but there's always the exception ,I'm sure someone will tel of this yearling that won this or that from the coast and went onto win this and that ,but they are few and far between .imho ps I would love to get all my yearlings to the coast ,even they they came back the next morn .

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I understand all proposals have to be in writing this year.

 

Would it be possible for the proposer and seconder to put three separate proposals in to drop

 

1)The first inland national

2)The second inland national

3)The young bird national

 

???

 

Perhaps more sensible than a proposal for channel races only, as was discussed last year?

[novo10]

I understand all proposals have to be in writing this year.

 

Would it be possible for the proposer and seconder to put three separate proposals in to drop

 

1)The first inland national

2)The second inland national

3)The young bird national

 

???

 

Perhaps more sensible than a proposal for channel races only, as was discussed last year?

You must have 40 for gold cup since you don't go to inland nationals

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

You must have 40 for gold cup since you don't go to inland nationals

 

Didnae have 40 for Coldstream, let alone the Gold Cup

[yeboah]

Jimmy Graham's (clintpark) on Elimar site regarding solway report on Newbury near on 100percent returns and with 5500 away at Maidstone don't seem unpopular to me,Would be really happy if the people who wanted to race the channel do so by all means and the others who enjoy inland racing are allowed to do so ,seems the one,s that are trying to upset the apple cart don't even compete which I canny get the old grey matter around ,The inland races are not affecting the gold cup but as someone in a previous post stated its Ypres that is killing the birdage we have not had a bad race from there yet but like everything else it will come ,just wish for the good of the pigeons people would stop altering programme's and just send to their preference .

[lightning fast]

Jimmy Graham's (clintpark) on Elimar site regarding solway report on Newbury near on 100percent returns and with 5500 away at Maidstone don't seem unpopular to me,Would be really happy if the people who wanted to race the channel do so by all means and the others who enjoy inland racing are allowed to do so ,seems the one,s that are trying to upset the apple cart don't even compete which I canny get the old grey matter around ,The inland races are not affecting the gold cup but as someone in a previous post stated its Ypres that is killing the birdage we have not had a bad race from there yet but like everything else it will come ,just wish for the good of the pigeons people would stop altering programme's and just send to their preference .

 

 

Well said

[Delboy]

I'm not talking about yearlings going to the coast del , it's yearlings that win from the coast , not just coming home , to me most of these yearlings that put in a super effort from the coast to the Wild West they are a spent force for the future , but there's always the exception ,I'm sure someone will tel of this yearling that won this or that from the coast and went onto win this and that ,but they are few and far between .imho ps I would love to get all my yearlings to the coast ,even they they came back the next morn .

 

I won the Big Kirkintilloch clubs longest inland race 7 or 8 times Stu, only timing yearlings. At least half of these scored across the water in later years.In fact, I can remember the first 5 or 6 on our result one year going on to score in channel races.Hoody will confirm this.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Jimmy Graham's (clintpark) on Elimar site regarding solway report on Newbury near on 100percent returns and with 5500 away at Maidstone don't seem unpopular to me,Would be really happy if the people who wanted to race the channel do so by all means and the others who enjoy inland racing are allowed to do so ,seems the one,s that are trying to upset the apple cart don't even compete which I canny get the old grey matter around ,The inland races are not affecting the gold cup but as someone in a previous post stated its Ypres that is killing the birdage we have not had a bad race from there yet but like everything else it will come ,just wish for the good of the pigeons people would stop altering programme's and just send to their preference .

 

This popularity is false I believe.

 

Many who voted to drop Newbury and Maidstone at the 2013 AGM have sent to these races, which is fair enough on their part but not what they wanted.

 

Fed programmes are having to be tailored around these races , which again aids this 'popularity'.

 

Doesn't affect Gold Cup?

 

It would appear it affects Maidstone however? less birds at Newbury than last year and more birds at Maidstone, may be more feds on board this year, I couldnae say, but it seems a bit strange to me.

 

I admire your record very much but the inland nationals are a slap in the face to many of the other best inland fanciers in the country. Who send with no chance of winning a good prize, despite their abilities as pigeon men.

 

I don't think it's right these races should count for average trophies, fanciers in less favourable locations could be hours behind men who are hard enough to beat over four channel races without giving them a head start.

 

It's all been said before now Will have to let the members decide

 

I'm away back out to put some polish on the doos for next week have a nice day

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Jimmy Graham's (clintpark) on Elimar site regarding solway report on Newbury near on 100percent returns and with 5500 away at Maidstone don't seem unpopular to me,Would be really happy if the people who wanted to race the channel do so by all means and the others who enjoy inland racing are allowed to do so ,seems the one,s that are trying to upset the apple cart don't even compete which I canny get the old grey matter around ,The inland races are not affecting the gold cup but as someone in a previous post stated its Ypres that is killing the birdage we have not had a bad race from there yet but like everything else it will come ,just wish for the good of the pigeons people would stop altering programme's and just send to their preference .

Have to disagree Mick, inland Nationals are killing the Gold cup.

[Guest stb-]

Ye never answered my question rab I was talking about yearlings out of Dorchester doing well out of there then doing well when older ?

 

 

Great post Peter .

some do some dont stut one of the best cocks ive ever had su 81 g 600

 

flow dorchester twice as yearling and his sister flow dorchester and guernsy scot mid week specialist club and booth went on to fly well to a ripe old age of 9 :emoticon-0167-beer: i normally find my best yb or yearlings are my best old birds latter on aswell . I dont normally find that birds as 2 or 3 year old start doing well if they have not scored and have not flown well from the start as yb .

[JADE]

Totally agree with Mick (Yeboah). Gareth could you elaborate on why you think the inland races are killing the gold cup

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Totally agree with Mick (Yeboah). Gareth could you elaborate on why you think the inland races are killing the gold cup

Just about to go out for tonight, but the figures for the inland nationals have held steady since the introduction of the Maidstone race in 2007, on the other hand the birdage for the Gold cup race has dropped dramatically, will try and get some more figures tomorrow.

 

 

Example before and after the inclusion of the Maidstone inland national.

2005 Alencon 2240 birds

2007 Alencon 1480 birds Maidstone 4230

 

Get rid of one SNFC inland race, then you will see the Gold cup race having another 500 birds competing, get rid of the 2 and you will get the birdage in the gold cup race to over the 2000.