Bird Being Sick In Race Basket

[Guest IB]

Walter, pigeons do suffer from travel sickness. I've watched my own do it and no matter when, how little or what I feed them, on occasion I do still find a little grain in my basket.

[peter pandy]

Every time I basketed birds and put them in the boot of the car they threw up. It took a long time before the penny sank and I bought an estate car. No covered boot problem solved.

[walterboswell59]

i can honesly say up to vacination started i had neaver seen a pigeon being sick no matter if its crop was full and i banged them up and down the motor way all day long i would like to ask the guys who have kept birds 25 years or more if they can remember there birds being sick when traveling i deff would have rememberd because i would have thought the bird was very ill make no mistake guys there is a conection maybe the car bumping around makes it worse if its car sick thats causing it who s shaking your loft about to make them sick in the loft your kidding yourself on guys im not saying adenovirus causese the birds to throw up what i do know is adeno comes within days of birds throwing up watch and see your stock birds will get it to and they never see a car pigeons do not get car sick unless something is working on them like i have said before i dont have all the ansers but ive studied this and made this conection if people think there birds get travel sick fine but what is it your birds are getting when they have not been in the car think about it i have put my neck on the line by saying this again im here to be shot down by anyone with an opinion but travel sickness come on i know whats coming in my club and the other club that had birds being sick in the next week or two there will be birds in the club baskets in silence and hunched up then the stories start dropped six training my birds dont want to exercise must be bop lost my nat doo in a short race must have hit a wire drop ped 8 in the race bad race every excuse rather than see or say there birds are ill and the more they push them the more they lose i am nobodies fool and have nothing to gain by telling you this other than the health of my and your birds i have proved it to my self you can take it or leave it and keep putting your travel sick birds in the basket and spreading it all over your club and fed so ill say it one more time if its just car sickness whats making the birds that are in your loft sick i will take no pleasure in being proved right only disapointment nobody is lissening and making the conection

[walterboswell59]

adult birds can get adenocoli too,its the pigeon fancier that calls it young bird sickness.was this particular bird still put in for the race or did the fancier take it back home?

it was allready in a sealed race basket

[walterboswell59]

certainly not Paranioa Toni m8, always better to be safe than sorry. JMO

 

so out of interest, did the bird get removed? and did the regurgitated food get removed also?

no because i said nothing i knew id be the bad guy if i said anything and would get acused of paranioa by someone that has kept birds for five minutes and became an expert who needs it

[walterboswell59]

Walter, pigeons do suffer from travel sickness. I've watched my own do it and no matter when, how little or what I feed them, on occasion I do still find a little grain in my basket.

we have all had birds in our lofts being sick ian so if its car sick whats making the birds at home vomit and how can you tell the differance between car sick and sick sick do you see what im saying m8

[walterboswell59]

we have all had birds in our lofts being sick ian so if its car sick whats making the birds at home vomit and how can you tell the differance between car sick and sick sick do you see what im saying m8

if in dout leave them out if there carying anything we are all going to get it if there spewing up feed in the race basket or training van

[big blue bar]

if your birds are being sick at your loft and sitting hunched up , why would you be putting them to a race , birds have to be in top condition before I ever think of putting them to a race short or long distance a bird will tell you if its not wright just bye the way it looks

[bibendium]

no because i said nothing i knew id be the bad guy if i said anything and would get acused of paranioa by someone that has kept birds for five minutes and became an expert who needs it

 

Sorry but this should have been pointed out to the basket convener, it would then be his decision whether the bird in question was fit to go to the race, . I know if it was my bird I would not want it to go if it was sick.However I know where you are coming from in not wanting to cause trouble. but maybe we should all be more vigilant in pointing these things out

[Guest chad3646]

walter do use have a basket convener?

[walterboswell59]

walter do use have a basket convener?

no m8

[bigjamie]

YOU CAN SEE WERE WALTER IS COMING FROM MENTION IT AND SOME SMART ASS WOULD COME OUT WITH THERE F ALL WRONG WITH MY BIRDS THERE TOO MANY IDIOUTS IN THIS GAME THAT WOULD PUT BIRDS IN A BASKET JUST FOR THE SAKE OF NUMBERS GOING NOT CARING ABOUT THERE BIRDS FITNESS AND HEALTH ITS A DISGRACE

[Guest IB]

we have all had birds in our lofts being sick ian so if its car sick whats making the birds at home vomit and how can you tell the differance between car sick and sick sick do you see what im saying m8

 

Walter, I think you are talking about different issues here, sick in a race basket & sick in the loft.

 

I trained my birds by public transport – bus & train – and made a point of watching what went on in my basket during the journeys. By far my worst journey was the bus from Falkirk to Bo’ness, for National Marking. I used to try and get down there for 4pm and my birds were given a little wheat & rice (more to make sure they’d a drink) around 10-11am. I could lay odds on them still being sick - and where and when and that was always Bo’ness Road, Grangemouth where there’s a hump bridge over the river and the driver hits it at what feels like 100mph, and before I got to the roundabout a few yards further along the road they were heaving in the basket. I started organising a lift to Bo’ness when it became clear my birds couldn’t face that one journey by bus – yet they have been OK going miles further e.g Lauder, Peebles and Hawick. These birds are not ill, they have never been sick in the loft and if they had been they would never be put in a race basket – they’d go straight into a spare box.

 

Yes I have had birds sick in the loft, and my first experience was with young birds not long after I restarted and it got me in the bad books with my club after what I described as the birds being sick was taken to be YBS. My loft is a garage which at that time had open roof gutters which I’d never cleaned before I started keeping pigeons in it. My young birds used to pick about and drink from those gutters then soon after feeding, they were sick in the loft. As you’ve alluded to earlier you must look at the whole picture – the birds were vomiting BUT they were healthy and exercising well, their droppings were fine, their eyes were bright, they were tight feathered etc etc. It doesn’t take a genius to work out what was making them sick – they were picking something up from the gutter that wasn’t too clever which a healthy crop will regurgitate, and that means everything else in the crop comes up with it too. Solution – clean and disinfect the gutters (annually) and mesh them off so the birds can’t get into them.

 

I have also seen my birds vomit grit, always just 3 small rounded polished white stones. I’ve never seen them bring feeding up with that, so I assume the crop is empty and these are passed back from the gizzard.

 

I have had the odd sick pigeon in the loft but I feel they are easy enough to spot. Quiet, hunched up and don’t tighten / smarten up when approached. The small feathers on the head behind the wattle sticking straight out is also a sign of pain or distress (possibly an injury which has not yet been discovered).

[big blue bar]

YOU CAN SEE WERE WALTER IS COMING FROM MENTION IT AND SOME SMART ASS WOULD COME OUT WITH THERE F ALL WRONG WITH MY BIRDS THERE TOO MANY IDIOUTS IN THIS GAME THAT WOULD PUT BIRDS IN A BASKET JUST FOR THE SAKE OF NUMBERS GOING NOT CARING ABOUT THERE BIRDS FITNESS AND HEALTH ITS A DISGRACE

totally agree seen it for my own eyes last year

[Guest geordiejen]

guys reading between the lines do yous think that some faciers will bring birds to a race knowing there is something wrong with them but dont want to pull birds out a race because others will be thinking on the lines of they have withdrawn birds because they are sick?do fanciers keep it hush hush and sweep it under the carpet to save face?

[bibendium]

YOU CAN SEE WERE WALTER IS COMING FROM MENTION IT AND SOME SMART ASS WOULD COME OUT WITH THERE F ALL WRONG WITH MY BIRDS THERE TOO MANY IDIOUTS IN THIS GAME THAT WOULD PUT BIRDS IN A BASKET JUST FOR THE SAKE OF NUMBERS GOING NOT CARING ABOUT THERE BIRDS FITNESS AND HEALTH ITS A DISGRACE

 

I can see where Walter is coming from and can understand entirly why nothing was said.and as you say some smart ass would say there is F all wrong with his birds , but at the end of the day I would want F all wrong with mine because his were sick.

We have a basket convener and part of his role is making that decision if needed.In Ayrshire it is written into our rules that the basket conveners decision is final.

rule 6

All birds will be convoyed at the owner’s risk. No birds suffering from

any ailment will be allowed into racing baskets. The decision of the

basket convenor on this matter is final.

[frank-123]

Walter some guys in Burnbank prefer to have a full crop going to races. All those pigeons should be place in the same basket. Fill you up with mince and tatties and then take you down to M and Ds. See how you feel. lol

[PIGEONPACKMAN]

Well i dont race so im not trying to be clever but we all know stressfull situations bring out underlying diseases so i would think it would be a worry as these pathogens can spread .

[Guest chad3646]

YES

 

guys reading between the lines do yous think that some faciers will bring birds to a race knowing there is something wrong with them but dont want to pull birds out a race because others will be thinking on the lines of they have withdrawn birds because they are sick?do fanciers keep it hush hush and sweep it under the carpet to save face?

 

 

yes

[jakie]

which guys would do that chad ????????

[Guest chad3646]

which guys would do that chad ????????

 

 

 

 

dont want anymore threatning pm,s they know who they are

[walterboswell59]

to be honest i think its like some of the guys on here they just dont think its a problem they have been sending pigeons like this for years and wondering why there late back or lost when i was a boy of 13 i use to plug school a lot as you can see with my spelling lol id take my pigeons in a cardboard box to coalburn on the bus and spend the day up on the coalburn bing letting them out one at a time they were allways stuffed with feeding as i fed far to much and not once can i remember any food in the box about a 18 mile journey up and down the country roads no one trains any harder than me and if i got the basket out the car and saw birds had been bringing up feed id take them back home and treat them because i have learned that before the adenovirus strikes the birds get some kind of yeast or fugal infection in the crop that makes them throw up at this stage they can still handle and look ok then they start to have breathing problems which explains why they dont want to exercise they go very quite and there soft and there feet are freezing cold the feathers are not tight its like they have the flu if you train or race them they come home wings down some gape as if they are having trouble catching a breath and are knackered send them any distance and they cant take it they will go down ive said all this before on here but ill tell you again its caused by you or someone in your club vacinating there youngbirds and what is in the jagged yb droppings gives your old birds adenovirus for which there is no cure you can treat for secondary infections canker and cocci but it just has to run its course which varies from bird to bird but normally about aweek or two

[walterboswell59]

Walter some guys in Burnbank prefer to have a full crop going to races. All those pigeons should be place in the same basket. Fill you up with mince and tatties and then take you down to M and Ds. See how you feel. lol

i think its more there head is full of mince and tatties they just dont see a problem stairing them in the face lol they convince themselves its something else thats making them throw up they cant be sick then wonder why there losing them and flying like a coo but im saying no more just wait two or three weeks as it spreads and watch the losses and the silence when you go into the club hut with three or four hundred pigeons in baskets and hardly any fighting or crowing birds hunched up in corners of the baskets it has been happening between the 4th and 6th race the past few years if im right it will start earlier this year after seeing and hearing about birds being sick the week between the first and second race its early this year anyway ive told them

[walterboswell59]

I can see where Walter is coming from and can understand entirly why nothing was said.and as you say some smart ass would say there is F all wrong with his birds , but at the end of the day I would want F all wrong with mine because his were sick.

We have a basket convener and part of his role is making that decision if needed.In Ayrshire it is written into our rules that the basket conveners decision is final.

rule 6

All birds will be convoyed at the owner’s risk. No birds suffering from

any ailment will be allowed into racing baskets. The decision of the

basket convenor on this matter is final.

you would need a very strong president and a basket convener that can fight like f k m8 then you will still get the old pals act oh its ma m8 wullies its just car sickness

[hotrod]

I've seen birds do this for nearly 30 odd years in race panniers long before adenovirus , I had a gay pied hen years ago every time she traveled she was sick and I mean every time , she scored from sartilly 514 miles , nothing to worry about in old birds , different in youngsters in the height of the virus season .