alex wight Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 I contacted SHU for advice on the ets ruling in Scotland, as i,m making traps for fanciers, and dont want to provide illegal systems. This is what i,ve had back from Linda Brooks SHU. There is no specific design. In a sputnik situation the pad should be fitted in the bottom of the sputnik so the birds drop down inside to be timed. ETS pads should NOT be fitted to the top of a landing board. Where fanciers use an open door system many fix the pads to an inside wall of their loft and actually pick up the bird and swipe the ring over the pad. Please ring me at the office 01698 768939 if you want more advice Linda Brooks SHU Secretary
William Reid Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 This is my set up This is my set upSorry I'm crap way photos will try again
ALF Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 This is my set up Sorry I'm crap way photos will try again :lol: :lol:
andy Burgess Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 I contacted SHU for advice on the ets ruling in Scotland, as i,m making traps for fanciers, and dont want to provide illegal systems. This is what i,ve had back from Linda Brooks SHU. There is no specific design. In a sputnik situation the pad should be fitted in the bottom of the sputnik so the birds drop down inside to be timed. ETS pads should NOT be fitted to the top of a landing board. Where fanciers use an open door system many fix the pads to an inside wall of their loft and actually pick up the bird and swipe the ring over the pad. Please ring me at the office 01698 768939 if you want more advice Linda Brooks SHU Secretarymy first season 2011 with ETS ,having fitted "sputniks" .i had 2 club members visit and show me .as above it was to the letter "in a sputnik the pad should be fitted in the bottom of the sputnik so the birds drop down inside to be timed."
THE FIFER Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 I contacted SHU for advice on the ets ruling in Scotland, as i,m making traps for fanciers, and dont want to provide illegal systems. This is what i,ve had back from Linda Brooks SHU. There is no specific design. In a sputnik situation the pad should be fitted in the bottom of the sputnik so the birds drop down inside to be timed. ETS pads should NOT be fitted to the top of a landing board. Where fanciers use an open door system many fix the pads to an inside wall of their loft and actually pick up the bird and swipe the ring over the pad. Please ring me at the office 01698 768939 if you want more advice Linda Brooks SHU Secretary yes its so the birds cannot fly away they must be confined in the loft or part of ,
billt Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 Why have ETS if you have to catch the bird to swipe over the pad?
geordie1234 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 yes its so the birds cannot fly away they must be confined in the loft or part of ,The pad has to be confined in the loft but there is no ruling the pigeon cannot fly away Archie i'm sure
alex wight Posted March 11, 2013 Author Report Posted March 11, 2013 Archie there is no rule which states the bird must be captive after timing.
johnc Posted March 11, 2013 Report Posted March 11, 2013 rpra rule states that when the loft is closed ie traps and door, a pigeon with ets ring cant arrive and time in ,so if you close your traps and door and your bird on the outside cant cross the pad then you should be fineand what the rpra rules say the shu usually follow
William Reid Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 The pad has to be confined in the loft but there is no ruling the pigeon cannot fly away Archie i'm sureNever mind all that other stuff Geordie what about that great photo :lol: :lol:
geordie1234 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 Never mind all that other stuff Geordie what about that great photo :lol: :lol:
walterboswell59 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 rpra rule states that when the loft is closed ie traps and door, a pigeon with ets ring cant arrive and time in ,so if you close your traps and door and your bird on the outside cant cross the pad then you should be fineand what the rpra rules say the shu usually follownot so john the shu had guide lines and rules on ets long before rpra who are still in fighting about it see letters page bhw the problem is its open to the fanciers interpretation and people use it to there own advantage and someone is going to lose big time because of it
geordie1234 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 I don't have ETS but can see no reason why the pigeon should be trapped at the end of the day the pigeon flew the race and crossed the finish line
walterboswell59 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 I don't have ETS but can see no reason why the pigeon should be trapped at the end of the day the pigeon flew the race and crossed the finish linei do george and lots of races are won on thetrap i dont want to beat my club mates because my birds can land out the sky on to a timeing pad m8 its not right its just the same as putting it under a landing board only they have moved the board back so pads on the inside to keep them legal with maximum advantage
walterboswell59 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 I don't have ETS but can see no reason why the pigeon should be trapped at the end of the day the pigeon flew the race and crossed the finish linethe finish line should be in the loft m8
geordie1234 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 Walter if the pad is in the loft then thats the finish line! I agree it should not be on a landing board etc but there is no real reason for the doos to be trapped in my opinion some ppl say the doo should be able to fly away once timed in dont see any reaspn for that to be honest
THE FIFER Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 Archie there is no rule which states the bird must be captive after timing. The rule is: ETS rule4:" Electronic Timing Systems must be fitted within the loft" unless that has been changed, its an old shu rule book I am looking at, Rule 11, " ETS can only record the arrival time after the pigeon has entered the loft" as said it may have been changed , I must look for a newr rule book,
JADE Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 Walter if the pad is in the loft then thats the finish line! I agree it should not be on a landing board etc but there is no real reason for the doos to be trapped in my opinion some ppl say the doo should be able to fly away once timed in dont see any reaspn for that to be honest Correct! The "confined to loft" means that when its time is recorded it is "in" the loft as opposed to "on" a landing board outside the loft. If you want to let the bird out of the loft again after it is timed that is irrelevant as far as the rule goes
alex wight Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Posted March 12, 2013 Why didn't Linda brooks refer to the rule? As I clearly asked for one so that everyone was singing from the same sheet, so to speak?
walterboswell59 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 Walter if the pad is in the loft then thats the finish line! I agree it should not be on a landing board etc but there is no real reason for the doos to be trapped in my opinion some ppl say the doo should be able to fly away once timed in dont see any reaspn for that to be honestno george what they have done is moved the landing back six inches so the pads inside how many races are lost because the bird wony go in well now they say it does not have to go in its timed before it goes in shu need to sort itout our say we can put pad any where we like that would solve it no interpretations and for the guys that dont have it tough get one
billt Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 Why didn't Linda brooks refer to the rule? As I clearly asked for one so that everyone was singing from the same sheet, so to speak? I thought that was a very unspecific reply to your question
THE FIFER Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 as said probably the bird dont have to be confined , but then who would want a bird to fly out after timing, suppose this is to allow open dore flying maybe,
alex wight Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Posted March 12, 2013 I thought that was a very unspecific reply to your question yes your correct, lol. this was the e-mail i sent Hi Linda, Is there definitive rule that applies to where ets traps are fitted and what design they should meet please. There is still a lot of confusion regarding this. I,m in the process of making loft accessories for fanciers, and this topic raises its head on a daily basis. Can you please advise. kind regards alex still not got the answer lol lol
walterboswell59 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Posted March 12, 2013 I thought that was a very unspecific reply to your question thats the problem alex they dont know there self linda told me years ago to be fair bird should be trapped then its not oppen to peoples interpretation if snfc come to verify or enyone in club objects i know you are only trying to keep youre self right alex thats why i said for you to check m8 and you have done that fair play to you but now you see the problem its very grey but i hope you do well in youre venture all the stuff looks great keep it coming and good luck
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