Natural Fliers

[andy Burgess]

looking to send a few Natural birds as far as the coast and maybe "over the pond" this season .when would you consider the best time to pair them up ?? they are not currently flying out.

[b.massey]

i was always told valentines day. Obv thats past but seems maybe others are diff as some are saying not paired yet. I was told as a young lad valentines day so I stick to it! Hopefully if wrong someone can inform why.

[Guest stb-]

yearling 22 feb 2yr and older 14th march for me

[yeboah]

Was always the 14th march and the hens if raced the program were spot on for rennes ,wonder why i changed

[andy Burgess]

yearling 22 feb 2yr and older 14th march for me

8 pairs in that section ,all but 1 cock and 2 hens are yearlings ,1 hen is 2011 ,however the other 2 are 2010 rung but until broken here last year "were never raced" ?? any further info Rab or ,as i am geussing treat them all as yearlings ??

[Guest stb-]

8 pairs in that section ,all but 1 cock and 2 hens are yearlings ,1 hen is 2011 ,however the other 2 are 2010 rung but until broken here last year "were never raced" ?? any further info Rab or ,as i am geussing treat them all as yearlings ??

Andy treat them all as yearling as they have very little exsperience , if you get them to the coast this time they should be good for 2014 channel races :emoticon-0167-beer: Some families moult slower than others keep an eye on them and you will find the birds that hold back in the moult for the long races .

[andy Burgess]

Andy treat them all as yearling as they have very little exsperience , if you get them to the coast this time they should be good for 2014 channel races :emoticon-0167-beer: Some families moult slower than others keep an eye on them and you will find the birds that hold back in the moult for the long races .

thanks for the reply .another question is if and when to let them rear ?

[Guest H@wkBait]

you should be pairing up on the 27th feb thats the next full moon i couldnt wait with the good weather n paired mine on the 14th :/

[ALF]

Am thinking on pairing the racers this weekend but not made my mind up for sure yet but no rush as I won't be breeding off many of them anyway

[andy Burgess]

Am thinking on pairing the racers this weekend but not made my mind up for sure yet but no rush as I won't be breeding off many of them anyway

i will put the hens in on Friday now ALF ,they can choose there own partner .

[dal2]

I paired my distance/natural team up in december LOL

[Guest strapper]

i race natural and so do all my club members...racebirds already on eggs (as with others club m8s)..and flying out...i think it doesnt matter when you pair them, its what you and they do when racing comes around.

of course everybody will have their own reason for pairing when they do...who,s to say when is best if you get results.

 

same as music..if we heard the same tunes all the time it would be boring.

 

do others that pair in march etc ..pair that time for longer races?

[geordie1234]

If you let them continuously rear this will stop them moulting they won't get much form but when you take away the youngsters that's when the form comes in round about your preferred race or so I read maybe wrong

 

I believe Andra Deans raced this way

[andy Burgess]

I paired my distance/natural team up in december LOL

does that effect the moult come racing or ??

 

i race natural and so do all my club members...racebirds already on eggs (as with others club m8s)..and flying out...i think it doesnt matter when you pair them, its what you and they do when racing comes around.of course everybody will have their own reason for pairing when they do...who,s to say when is best if you get results.same as music..if we heard the same tunes all the time it would be boring.do others that pair in march etc ..pair that time for longer races?

since moving up here Paul its probably around the same distance to the South coast as you fly too Saintes or similar .just trying to the best for the birds .

[walterboswell59]

looking to send a few Natural birds as far as the coast and maybe "over the pond" this season .when would you consider the best time to pair them up ?? they are not currently flying out.

mid march for me andy to be sure wing is ok on 1st or 2nd flight

[andy Burgess]

mid march for me andy to be sure wing is ok on 1st or 2nd flight

what about nesting Walter , would you raise young or fly them to pot eggs until the distance comes around ??

[peter pandy]

Andy,

Pair up on the full moon 27th March and put them on pot eggs so they sit as long as posible before going down again and repeat with second round, Hopefully they will sit 30 days each time, Set them up for the hen rearing her first young at 6 days for basketing and the following week the cock feeding the 10 - 12 day young and looking at his hen again. This has always been a favourable and successful system for me regardless of distance 60 - 650 miles.

P.S. It only works once per year.

[Guest stb-]

i race natural and so do all my club members...racebirds already on eggs (as with others club m8s)..and flying out...i think it doesnt matter when you pair them, its what you and they do when racing comes around.

of course everybody will have their own reason for pairing when they do...who,s to say when is best if you get results.

 

same as music..if we heard the same tunes all the time it would be boring.

 

do others that pair in march etc ..pair that time for longer races?

 

yes if racing natural march to keep the moult back , if your pairing at that time you are not interested in the short or mid races paul , you are aiming to have them only on 1st or 2nd flight end of june at longest :emoticon-0167-beer:

[Guest stb-]

Andy,

Pair up on the full moon 27th March and put them on pot eggs so they sit as long as posible before going down again and repeat with second round, Hopefully they will sit 30 days each time, Set them up for the hen rearing her first young at 6 days for basketing and the following week the cock feeding the 10 - 12 day young and looking at his hen again. This has always been a favourable and successful system for me regardless of distance 60 - 650 miles.

P.S. It only works once per year.

think it depends on familys off pigeons , my own are garbage when on young ones but tottaly diffo on eggs from lay to hatch , i too would let them over sit eggs untillthey desert nest and go down again , mines would be great on chipping eggs but not once yb has hatched :emoticon-0167-beer:

 

I paired my distance/natural team up in december LOL

i but you split them do you not :emoticon-0167-beer:

[andy Burgess]

i dont know how most will react ,theres a few different families in there to be honest .up to now i will put them together on Friday (which by the way will be around 3 days before a full moon).will let them sit pot eggs ,2 rounds. loft fly them daily ,a few training tosses ,and into race 3 or 4 depending.,,,,,,,,,,,,, un-less anybody convinces me otherwise ??

[Guest stb-]

i dont know how most will react ,theres a few different families in there to be honest .up to now i will put them together on Friday (which by the way will be around 3 days before a full moon).will let them sit pot eggs ,2 rounds. loft fly them daily ,a few training tosses ,and into race 3 or 4 depending.,,,,,,,,,,,,, un-less anybody convinces me otherwise ??

some families especially sprint will charge on in the moult and be over the top mid to late season and this dosent matter how you work it . Other families more often than not distance based will be slower anyway , when young lad always got told to watch for the birds with the slow wing for latter on :emoticon-0167-beer:

[andy Burgess]

some families especially sprint will charge on in the moult and be over the top mid to late season and this dosent matter how you work it . Other families more often than not distance based will be slower anyway , when young lad always got told to watch for the birds with the slow wing for latter on :emoticon-0167-beer:

thanks STB ,there are a few of my own family in there ,which have been tested out to 440 mile back home (and done well) the others are "distance" based .Jimmy Little (late) always done well at distance and national.Ben Veitch (was 8th SNRPC ) ,an Edinburgh based distance man (1 from him) ,1 from Steve Aitchinson stock,etc ,etc.

[Guest strapper]

yes if racing natural march to keep the moult back , if your pairing at that time you are not interested in the short or mid races paul , you are aiming to have them only on 1st or 2nd flight end of june at longest :emoticon-0167-beer:

 

i dont normally race the longest races but i do have a go from time to time..i prefer the shorter races upto 400-450.

[dal2]

think it depends on familys off pigeons , my own are garbage when on young ones but tottaly diffo on eggs from lay to hatch , i too would let them over sit eggs untillthey desert nest and go down again , mines would be great on chipping eggs but not once yb has hatched :emoticon-0167-beer:

 

 

i but you split them do you not :emoticon-0167-beer:

 

 

Ye they are already split Rab and wont see each other again until return from the 1st inland nat.

 

Dont like continuos nesting being it either pot eggs or herried!! Hens become reluctant to lay making it difficult to set up correct nest condition?

[dal2]

does that effect the moult come racing or ??

 

Never had a prob Andy, makes conditioning easier IMO. Also makes the feeding, especially the hens, esier to regulate?