Scottish One Loft Race

[Guest stb-]

And your not telling me that anybody could move to co path and achieve the same results, no. A very good fancier, good pigeons and he doesn't need to train or race his birds with the UNC to acheive this. Would he be as prominent if flying with the SNFC, well he might not get as many in the top 12 but he would still get his fair share, in my opinion and that's not down to loft location at 500 mile

some of your comments are valid but location comes in to it big time . if he lived in say ayrshire or staranraer he might never get in the top 12 at all but in that section would do well - :animatedpigeons:

[elanco]

Well at the end of the day it's all about opinions and a certainly would not fall out about it but what I will say is that there are plenty fanciers down and around that area that seldom or never score in national races and they buy top birds and try like hell, so if it was all down to location they would be there. To me it top fanciers first with very good , healthy birds and a good system .

[Guest stb-]

Well at the end of the day it's all about opinions and a certainly would not fall out about it but what I will say is that there are plenty fanciers down and around that area that seldom or never score in national races and they buy top birds and try like hell, so if it was all down to location they would be there. To me it top fanciers first with very good , healthy birds and a good system .

yes they also have to be good fanciers to too take advantage of the location im not saying hes not a good fancier by any means . As i said im sure he would win the section anywhere but would not be rattling in a pile in the first 20 like he can where he is getting one in the top 20 in a life time would be a great acheivment in some areas

[Delboy]

yes they also have to be good fanciers to too take advantage of the location im not saying hes not a good fancier by any means . As i said im sure he would win the section anywhere but would not be rattling in a pile in the first 20 like he can where he is getting one in the top 20 in a life time would be a great acheivment in some areas

 

I had just typed up the exact same response Rab

[elanco]

[moscow master]

Location and drag defo at the ybn but at 500 plus am not so sure even inlands look at this year only two birds took advantage of the wind at Newbury mine and yeboahs and Karen Newcombe had no right in being fifth open but was as she had her doo bang on so where was all the Lanarkshire and ayrshire doos it seems to me when the wind suits us over here at any distance we don't take advantage and the likes of the house hold names like bosworth ,duthies etc etc are still beating us when they shouldn't be and when the wind doesn't suit us over here were miles behind and the east side take the advantage you just need good doos and if the winds in your favour hopefully your doos take the advantage omo

[dkj]

Location and drag defo at the ybn but at 500 plus am not so sure even inlands look at this year only two birds took advantage of the wind at Newbury mine and yeboahs and Karen Newcombe had no right in being fifth open but was as she had her doo bang on so where was all the Lanarkshire and ayrshire doos it seems to me when the wind suits us over here at any distance we don't take advantage and the likes of the house hold names like bosworth ,duthies etc etc are still beating us when they shouldn't be and when the wind doesn't suit us over here were miles behind and the east side take the advantage you just need good doos and if the winds in your favour hopefully your doos take the advantage omo

 

 

i agree 100% with you. great post from a top class doo man

[andy]

Location and drag defo at the ybn but at 500 plus am not so sure even inlands look at this year only two birds took advantage of the wind at Newbury mine and yeboahs and Karen Newcombe had no right in being fifth open but was as she had her doo bang on so where was all the Lanarkshire and ayrshire doos it seems to me when the wind suits us over here at any distance we don't take advantage and the likes of the house hold names like bosworth ,duthies etc etc are still beating us when they shouldn't be and when the wind doesn't suit us over here were miles behind and the east side take the advantage you just need good doos and if the winds in your favour hopefully your doos take the advantage omo

fantastic post kiddo and well done on winning the national!

[andy Burgess]

Location and drag defo at the ybn but at 500 plus am not so sure even inlands look at this year only two birds took advantage of the wind at Newbury mine and yeboahs and Karen Newcombe had no right in being fifth open but was as she had her doo bang on so where was all the Lanarkshire and ayrshire doos it seems to me when the wind suits us over here at any distance we don't take advantage and the likes of the house hold names like bosworth ,duthies etc etc are still beating us when they shouldn't be and when the wind doesn't suit us over here were miles behind and the east side take the advantage you just need good doos and if the winds in your favour hopefully your doos take the advantage omo

that's a great and honest post ,hope many read and take note

[eastcoaster]

Well said that man.

[Jumbo]

Well said, best post on here for a long time . :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[geordie1234]

Good honest post

 

 

No many honest posts about lol

[andy Burgess]

Good honest post

 

 

No many honest posts about lol

a good tip there Geordie , "you gotta be innit tae winnit"

[Guest bigda]

take a east wind do you all think this favours the west when birds that have to fly into glasgow have it on the beak, such is the lie of the land, and birds that then come in from the forth side of the country on a west wind, have it on the beak again in a west wind such is the lie of the land, the last 50 mile of any nat race east or west wind, doos have it all to do.

Edited November 7, 2013 by bigda

[tiger]

take a east wind do you all think this favours the west when birds that have to fly into glasgow have it on the beak, such is the lie of the land, and birds that then come in from the forth side of the country on a west wind, have it on the beak again in a west wind such is the lie of the land, the last 50 mile of any nat race east or west wind, doos have it all to do.

go and ask wee wullie mac how his birds can doo it week in and out , ?

[geordie1234]

go and ask wee wullie mac how his birds can doo it week in and out , ?

Exactly

[Guest stb-]

Location and drag defo at the ybn but at 500 plus am not so sure even inlands look at this year only two birds took advantage of the wind at Newbury mine and yeboahs and Karen Newcombe had no right in being fifth open but was as she had her doo bang on so where was all the Lanarkshire and ayrshire doos it seems to me when the wind suits us over here at any distance we don't take advantage and the likes of the house hold names like bosworth ,duthies etc etc are still beating us when they shouldn't be and when the wind doesn't suit us over here were miles behind and the east side take the advantage you just need good doos and if the winds in your favour hopefully your doos take the advantage omo

your missing the point ricky , yes with taking wind advantage you won this year and well done great performance but how often have you won it and how many times do you have 8 in the top 12 or 20 every year aswell ? since the national began there has never been anyone done that into your area . It dont matter how good a fancier anyone is it wont happen due to your location . :emoticon-0167-beer:

[walterboswell59]

i agree with rab 100 percent you only have to look at how many times the nationals have been won in these areas over the years to see whats happening the only other place that comes close is gretna how many lofts are in these areas and how many times has the nationals been won there you only have to look at the amount of birds that are sent from this area and how many get on open results to see the birds on that side have a very big advantage no one is saying these guys are not good fanciers but we are not fools there birds have the coast as a natural guide all the way home and the overfly to boot they can afford to send big teams because the returns are much better imo

[walterboswell59]

Exactly

maybe thats why wullie does not go to the other nationals knows hes little chance of winning at least ypres is a bit fairer for us in west imo

[geordie1234]

maybe thats why wullie does not go to the other nationals knows hes little chance of winning at least ypres is a bit fairer for us in west imo

Do you mean SNRPC races or other snfc races?

 

The macs went to every old bird nat except 2 which they were planning on going to including the longest race

 

I believe one of there plans is to clock in every national race

[moscow master]

your missing the point ricky , yes with taking wind advantage you won this year and well done great performance but how often have you won it and how many times do you have 8 in the top 12 or 20 every year aswell ? since the national began there has never been anyone done that into your area . It dont matter how good a fancier anyone is it wont happen due to your location . :emoticon-0167-beer:

Rab am not looking for a dozen in the top twenty am only looking for the one that counts and you know I've only won one but having only entered approximately fifthteen I wood say that's a descent strike rate how many have you entered and won ? Am not entering an east west debate but what I said earlier if the wind suits the west side we don't take advantage the same as the east does when it suits them there's far too much negativity over here I've heard it for years it canny be done if you want to win a national you'll need to flit but am more positive than most over here and when someone says to me it can't be done I'll go out my way to prove them wrong positive vibes Rab that's what you need

[walterboswell59]

Do you mean SNRPC races or other snfc races?

 

The macs went to every old bird nat except 2 which they were planning on going to including the longest race

 

I believe one of there plans is to clock in every national race

how many did they win george how many open positions in the first 20 and as far as im concerned these guys are the best in britain thats the point im trying to make m8 ask jim cullen where the advantage lies in national racing i know where id rather be sitting waiting on birds in the gold cup or anyother 500 mile race and im sure wullie mac would agree pal

[Guest stb-]

Rab am not looking for a dozen in the top twenty am only looking for the one that counts and you know I've only won one but having only entered approximately fifthteen I wood say that's a descent strike rate how many have you entered and won ? Am not entering an east west debate but what I said earlier if the wind suits the west side we don't take advantage the same as the east does when it suits them there's far too much negativity over here I've heard it for years it canny be done if you want to win a national you'll need to flit but am more positive than most over here and when someone says to me it can't be done I'll go out my way to prove them wrong positive vibes Rab that's what you need

 

I agree with you on the point that its not imposible to win a national if every thing is spot on in the day . I would never say it cant be won anywhere which has been proven in every area . But if you send 12 you wont get 6 or 8 of them in top 20 ever, neither will areas like aberdeen and further north . Remember no one has even timed in every race in sect f in last 20 yrs far less have 6 in top 20 . Ayrshire had a good race at newbury but even with your winner there is only one other bird just made the top 100, and thats par for the course every race and at a lot of 500 mile races there is not even a bird timed at all in the sect.

[geordie1234]

how many did they win george how many open positions in the first 20 and as far as im concerned these guys are the best in britain thats the point im trying to make m8 ask jim cullen where the advantage lies in national racing i know where id rather be sitting waiting on birds in the gold cup or anyother 500 mile race and im sure wullie mac would agree pal

Everyone knows what your saying but you live were you live end off... imagine living in the east and guys in the west are rubbishing your national win... either move or get on wae it..

[geordie1234]

Same argument on here for years gets a bit tiresome especially when it can't be fixed