Snfc Niort - Info, Times/Returns

[Delboy]

Think there has to be a limit. You could get a pigeon reported and drive to pick it up after the 3rd day.... what happens then? It could conceivably in a race like Niort win hundreds of pounds in pools??

 

 

Thats cheating m8, same as your bird going into a lesser flying loft.Same thing, simple as that.

[DJWa]

Jeez, that could happen at any race over 400 miles.The SNFC are the only organisation that stops at 400ypm, most are 200ypm and some even lower.

 

 

 

Well done, not many about I can tell ye.

ABERDEEN FED STOPS AT 400 YPM

I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN SHU RULE

[JADE]

one day races close at midnight. The SHU have no other rule about when a race of two or more days closes

[dal2]

I got a hen on the second afternoon from Bourges 2010 and had to syringe feed for two weeks??? I posted on here and most said that I should dispose of the bird??? I thought she deserved every chance and she has come good.

 

These races are very tough with small birdage and extreme distance( I know that we are not the longest fliers) these birds are tough nuts and although it is more of an endurance event when the race is tough it does not mean that these birds cannot do a steady 12-13 hrs on a good flyin day so do not discount their efforts!!!!

[Delboy]

I got a hen on the second afternoon from Bourges 2010 and had to syringe feed for two weeks??? I posted on here and most said that I should dispose of the bird??? I thought she deserved every chance and she has come good.

 

These races are very tough with small birdage and extreme distance( I know that we are not the longest fliers) these birds are tough nuts and although it is more of an endurance event when the race is tough it does not mean that these birds cannot do a steady 12-13 hrs on a good flyin day so do not discount their efforts!!!!

 

Your right

[Guest IB]

I got a hen on the second afternoon from Bourges 2010 and had to syringe feed for two weeks??? I posted on here and most said that I should dispose of the bird??? I thought she deserved every chance and she has come good.

 

These races are very tough with small birdage and extreme distance( I know that we are not the longest fliers) these birds are tough nuts and although it is more of an endurance event when the race is tough it does not mean that these birds cannot do a steady 12-13 hrs on a good flyin day so do not discount their efforts!!!!

 

The bird I sent took 11 days to come out of that race. Sent her back to Tours the following year and she took 3rd Section. So yes, they deffo deserve every chance.

[dal2]

The bird I sent took 11 days to come out of that race. Sent her back to Tours the following year and she took 3rd Section. So yes, they deffo deserve every chance.

She now has 14th,3rd and 27th open 500miles and a silver award??? really pleased we put the effort in

[dms5686]

I see the SNFC 1968 Tours race with 1353 birds away finished at 300ypm.Stokes of Carstairs got last position at 302ypm.I believe there were 16 birds in race time.The last 3 years in the SNFC longest races, Bourges, Messac and Niort , on each occasion all the prizes were not won because of the 400ypm rule.Think its time for a change.

Dont adjust the rules to suit your doos adjust your doos to suit the racing

[Delboy]

Got my 2nd last night at 9.44pm, both birds I have back scored in Tours last year.Horses for courses.

[Delboy]

Dont adjust the rules to suit your doos adjust your doos to suit the racing

 

You made a complete ar se of yersel with that one, lol.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Nice one Derek, there to fight another.

 

Still waiting here, would love to get one of my 2 as they aint bad doos.

[Delboy]

Nice one Derek, there to fight another.

 

Still waiting here, would love to get one of my 2 as they aint bad doos.

 

Your record at this race is brilliant Gareth but I dont think Mr Mathieson (dms)thinks they are good doos that have to come.We should try better lol

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

I see the SNFC 1968 Tours race with 1353 birds away finished at 300ypm.Stokes of Carstairs got last position at 302ypm.I believe there were 16 birds in race time.The last 3 years in the SNFC longest races, Bourges, Messac and Niort , on each occasion all the prizes were not won because of the 400ypm rule.Think its time for a change.

 

Messac with perfect conditions was a freak race that you get every 10 years , Bourges and Niort were liberated in less than perfect conditions,and at 660+ miles to central Scotland you just cant get away with this.

 

Although the final vel should be monitored over the next few years, i do not want to bring the velocity down to 200ypm, it weakens the depth of Quality in Scottish pigeons.

Nightmare for clock setters at run off, Secretary would have to wait 7-8 days for the North Of Scotland boys to get down to 200ypm. Fanciers including myself want results in hours,if not days. I don't want to have to wait 9-10 days to see a SNFC result, then again this year i am having to wait 14 days to get a Lanarkshire fed result with only 45 birds on it .

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

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Your record at this race is brilliant Gareth but I dont think Mr Mathieson (dms)thinks they are good doos that have to come.We should try better lol

 

Was gutted not to get on the result, i have looked forward to this race since the agm. The SNFC had flown this race 5 times before, they were good but hard steady races were pigeons had every opportunity to get home in race time 400ypm, unfortunetly that cannot be said of this year. Have featured on the result of all the other 5 Niort races and it would have put the biggest smile on my face if i could have got on the result, wasn't meant to be and we will just have to move on and have a long hard think as to who the SNFC convoy with and to what distance.

[dal2]

Was gutted not to get on the result, i have looked forward to this race since the agm. The SNFC had flown this race 5 times before, they were good but hard steady races were pigeons had every opportunity to get home in race time 400ypm, unfortunetly that cannot be said of this year. Have featured on the result of all the other 5 Niort races and it would have put the biggest smile on my face if i could have got on the result, wasn't meant to be and we will just have to move on and have a long hard think as to who the SNFC convoy with and to what distance.

 

 

libbing 200 doos ten mins before the rest at 600+ miles was ridiculous and unsporting at best!!!!

[Delboy]

Messac with perfect conditions was a freak race that you get every 10 years , Bourges and Niort were liberated in less than perfect conditions,and at 660+ miles to central Scotland you just cant get away with this.

 

Although the final vel should be monitored over the next few years, i do not want to bring the velocity down to 200ypm, it weakens the depth of Quality in Scottish pigeons.

Nightmare for clock setters at run off, Secretary would have to wait 7-8 days for the North Of Scotland boys to get down to 200ypm. Fanciers including myself want results in hours,if not days. I don't want to have to wait 9-10 days to see a SNFC result, then again this year i am having to wait 14 days to get a Lanarkshire fed result with only 45 birds on it .

 

 

So we should stick to the 10/1 and 400ypm for all diploma winners in the longest race. Thats written in the book but isnt adhered to, is it?? Ive heard folk quote my bird was 52nd Open Tours when there were only 300 birds entered, therefore only 30 open positions.I have diplomas myself that I might say are unwarranted as they were awarded for basicly timing in the longest race.Double standards here, we either stick to the rules or we dont or we change them, just for the longer races.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

So we should stick to the 10/1 and 400ypm for all diploma winners in the longest race. Thats written in the book but isnt adhered to, is it?? Ive heard folk quote my bird was 52nd Open Tours when there were only 300 birds entered, therefore only 30 open positions.I have diplomas myself that I might say are unwarranted as they were awarded for basicly timing in the longest race.Double standards here, we either stick to the rules or we dont or we change them, just for the longer races.

Ideally we should have stuck to 15/1 and 400ypm, with only Gold awards, but times have changed and the SNFC and its members have had to adapt by changing down by introducing 10/1 ratio and silver awards. How much dilution do we have to introduce??. Derek it may well happen that in the future that we will be down at 200ypm, but i don't look forward to that day, expletive remove im shattered after waiting 2-3 days on doos, other half says that i age a year for every day i wait on a pigeons...lol

 

Regards to putting all the recorded pigeons on the longest result !! never really agreed on it as it sends out mixed messages.

Perhaps the fanciers in Scotland including ourselves are needing to spend more time on how to get more pigeons to the Gold cup race Alencon and also the Longest SNFC race, these are the races that have all the history of the Scottish National Flying Club and should be protected as such.(perhaps another thread for that).

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

libbing 200 doos ten mins before the rest at 600+ miles was ridiculous and unsporting at best!!!!

 

Sorry Steven, you have to be 40 years or over to participate in political threads.

 

 

Happy 40th,

 

it certainly didnt help our race. B

[dal2]

Sorry Steven, you have to be 40 years or over to participate in political threads.

 

 

Happy 40th,

 

it certainly didnt help our race. B

[Delboy]

Ideally we should have stuck to 15/1 and 400ypm, with only Gold awards, but times have changed and the SNFC and its members have had to adapt by changing down by introducing 10/1 ratio and silver awards. How much dilution do we have to introduce??. Derek it may well happen that in the future that we will be down at 200ypm, but i don't look forward to that day, expletive remove im shattered after waiting 2-3 days on doos, other half says that i age a year for every day i wait on a pigeons...lol

 

Regards to putting all the recorded pigeons on the longest result !! never really agreed on it as it sends out mixed messages.

Perhaps the fanciers in Scotland including ourselves are needing to spend more time on how to get more pigeons to the Gold cup race Alencon and also the Longest SNFC race, these are the races that have all the history of the Scottish National Flying Club and should be protected as such.(perhaps another thread for that).

 

 

Im a great believer in fairness in pigeon racing and wish it was as easy as it once was in the 70s - early 90s to get pigeons home from extreme distances but things have changed.The poor north section fanciers never got a real shot at getting any birds home from this race in race time.Its easy to say we stick to tradition, 15/1 and 400ypm and protect the SNFC history but then you would have the SNFC as a joke with only a few birds in the distance results every year.Not good publicity for racing pigeons into Scotland.ALL OTHER NATIONALS ARE 200YPM OR LOWER, THERE POOR SECRETARIES AND CLOCK SETTERS DEAL WITH IT, LOL.ps. This thread isnt about ME as Mr.Best In Show said, if anyone knows me then they know I would be competing at any race, any distance with any criteria.

[dms5686]

Messac with perfect conditions was a freak race that you get every 10 years , Bourges and Niort were liberated in less than perfect conditions,and at 660+ miles to central Scotland you just cant get away with this.

 

Although the final vel should be monitored over the next few years, i do not want to bring the velocity down to 200ypm, it weakens the depth of Quality in Scottish pigeons.

Nightmare for clock setters at run off, Secretary would have to wait 7-8 days for the North Of Scotland boys to get down to 200ypm. Fanciers including myself want results in hours,if not days. I don't want to have to wait 9-10 days to see a SNFC result, then again this year i am having to wait 14 days to get a Lanarkshire fed result with only 45 birds on it .

Totaly agree with everything u said

[peter pandy]

Do away with meaningless inland nationals and revert back to promoting long distance racing into Scotland which USED to be the OBJECT of the Scottish National Flying Club.

[dms5686]

Do away with meaningless inland nationals and revert back to promoting long distance racing into Scotland which USED to be the OBJECT of the Scottish National Flying Club.

Spot on

[DJWa]

Do away with meaningless inland nationals and revert back to promoting long distance racing into Scotland which USED to be the OBJECT of the Scottish National Flying Club.

 

do this and imo you will lose the majority of snfc fanciers

thus costing far more to send over the water

 

less membership money and the loss off the profit made at the inland races

 

remember the longest inland race is around 500 miles to some of the longest flyers

more if the wick/thurso lads send

these guys are flying further inland than a lot flying out af falaise/ypres etc etc

[alec guinness]

Do away with meaningless inland nationals and revert back to promoting long distance racing into Scotland which USED to be the OBJECT of the Scottish National Flying Club.

 

cannot agree with this post,yes we must promote distance racing with the SNFC but we must cater for all members and the current format which imo is not perfect does give us 300ml 400ml 500ml and 600ml racing and also a y/bird race about 250mls into central scotland,remember last weeks niort race had between 10% and 15% of the membership competing not great i am sure you will agree,i do agree that the traditions of the club should be respected but in a shrinking sport with fewer fanciers the SNFC must keep its options open. :)