Never In Forty Years

[peter dempsey]

hi folks are any of members on here flying the late breds

they wont get them all ? but they are a great help?????

if they are looking for feed then give them late breeds??

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

[just ask me]

sorry to hear you lads are getting it so bad

[mushroom]

Since moving to my new location I have found that the ybs will not roam for more than half an hour (if they roam at all), and they usually drop straight on to the loft looking skywards. I started training my early bred ybs last week, as I watched over the peat moss I saw the ybs circle around the trees which are about 3/4 mile from my loft before they would cross over the open space, on the second toss the birds took an age to come with 13 missing overnight,7 returned the next day one of the birds had secondaries missing from both wings and half a tail, a sure sign of PF attack, yesterday I had a yb grabbed by a SH hen, which is virtually a daily occurence, so it is really difficult to achieve a decent level of fitness with old or ybs, as the birds are permanently on their guard and do not want to be in the sky, I am afraid the pigeon world needs to stand up and be heard otherwise, its goodnight.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

SORRY TO HERE THAT MATE

[The engineer]

What i think we need to do is change the starting dates for the first races. This will put pressure on the song bird population to feed these monsters. We would then need an agreement not to start to train to early. Eventually people will realise what is happening and hopefully numbers will be cut. We have already had 3 stinking races if we did start later the weather would also be a lot better. Our old bird season is a very long one.

[mushroom]

What i think we need to do is change the starting dates for the first races. This will put pressure on the song bird population to feed these monsters. We would then need an agreement not to start to train to early. Eventually people will realise what is happening and hopefully numbers will be cut. We have already had 3 stinking races if we did start later the weather would also be a lot better. Our old bird season is a very long one.

I totally agree, personally I would like to see any age racing from may until july then finish as all the young are fledging from the Falcon and Hawk population, pigeons are now a very important part of these killers diet, in fact I would say they totally rely on racing pigeons for their breeding cycle.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

KEEP DONKING.///

[The engineer]

I totally agree, personally I would like to see any age racing from may until july then finish as all the young are fledging from the Falcon and Hawk population, pigeons are now a very important part of these killers diet, in fact I would say they totally rely on racing pigeons for their breeding cycle.

2 seasons of that and they would have to do something about the monsters otherwise all the wild birds will be gone. Will anyone change to this i doubt it.

[yeboah]

Since moving to my new location I have found that the ybs will not roam for more than half an hour (if they roam at all), and they usually drop straight on to the loft looking skywards. I started training my early bred ybs last week, as I watched over the peat moss I saw the ybs circle around the trees which are about 3/4 mile from my loft before they would cross over the open space, on the second toss the birds took an age to come with 13 missing overnight,7 returned the next day one of the birds had secondaries missing from both wings and half a tail, a sure sign of PF attack, yesterday I had a yb grabbed by a SH hen, which is virtually a daily occurence, so it is really difficult to achieve a decent level of fitness with old or ybs, as the birds are permanently on their guard and do not want to be in the sky, I am afraid the pigeon world needs to stand up and be heard otherwise, its goodnight.

Sad but so very true Tommy,Tossed birds yesterday in two groups from 20 mls ,first group home intact ,second group which were of 5 minutes later did not get a bird until 1 hr after first lot were home they only came in one's until nightfall ,got the 3 missing by 11 am today but with it being so cold completely takes the edge of them ,after the first race never basket train my experienced doos only the one's that did not get raced properly for various reasons ,GOD HELP THE YOUNGSTERS .

[Guest geordiejen]

does anyone have an answer to this problem?as well as pigeons being lost it seems lots of small birds are being lost too.there should be a limit to how many raptors should be alowed to breed.this wasnt allowed to happen in the 1st and 2nd world wars.how many peoples lives were saved by raptors?and of course its not just pigeon fanciers lots of other bussinesses are being hit hard by these flying killers.

[yeboah]

does anyone have an answer to this problem?as well as pigeons being lost it seems lots of small birds are being lost too.there should be a limit to how many raptors should be alowed to breed.this wasnt allowed to happen in the 1st and 2nd world wars.how many peoples lives were saved by raptors?and of course its not just pigeon fanciers lots of other bussinesses are being hit hard by these flying killers.

Spot on with your reply,The major problem is the breeding centre's that are topping up the falcon's nests now impossible for them not to multiply unchecked ,as for the songbirds saw the sparrowhawk yesterday carrying a blackbird and cannot even remember which year i last witnessed a song thrush ,only way i can see the problem addressed is a virus .

[billt]

does anyone have an answer to this problem?as well as pigeons being lost it seems lots of small birds are being lost too.there should be a limit to how many raptors should be alowed to breed.this wasnt allowed to happen in the 1st and 2nd world wars.how many peoples lives were saved by raptors?and of course its not just pigeon fanciers lots of other bussinesses are being hit hard by these flying killers.

 

You're right mate, I was saying to the wife that we don't have many pheasants about, there's an estate near-by with a shoot so we usually have a lot wandering about our fields, a neighbour said they are having BOP problems, the good news is they have a few game-keepers

[yeboah]

You're right mate, I was saying to the wife that we don't have many pheasants about, there's an estate near-by with a shoot so we usually have a lot wandering about our fields, a neighbour said they are having BOP problems, the good news is they have a few game-keepers

My mate who comes round and helps with the doos ,got told by a very good source that they are now collecting more pigeon id rings from the goshawk nestsitea than they are from the falcon sites .

[billt]

My mate who comes round and helps with the doos ,got told by a very good source that they are now collecting more pigeon id rings from the goshawk nestsitea than they are from the falcon sites .

 

They have been my biggest problem for the last few years, very hard to protect from, they snatch and fly off with or even chase and catch in the air, complete nightmare

[geordie1234]

sad to say but I dont see a way forward

[yeboah]

They have been my biggest problem for the last few years, very hard to protect from, they snatch and fly off with or even chase and catch in the air, complete nightmare

One of the local conservation men (now there's a laugh )told me he found a goshawk nest sight approx 4 mls to the south and it contained the remains of lapwing kestrel and owl Now they don't publish those details expletive remove they are really sad b-- they need to get a life .

[billt]

One of the local conservation men (now there's a laugh )told me he found a goshawk nest sight approx 4 mls to the south and it contained the remains of lapwing kestrel and owl Now they don't publish those details expletive remove they are really sad b-- they need to get a life .

 

Being an oldie and a lifelong "birdie", my early bird books from the '50s, the gos is not on the list of British birds, It's had a lot of help to get where it is today and of course the planting of Fir forests has provided the perfect habitat

[ALF]

I TOSSED MY DOOS FOR THE 1ST TIME YESTERDAY FROM ELSRICKLE LIBERATING THEM NEXT TO THE 5 BIRD CLUB TRAILER (APPROX 1000+ PIGEONS) AND JUST AS THE BIRDS STARTED TO CLIMB PERCY WENT RIGHT THROUGH THEM SCATTERING 1 OF THE BATCHES RESULTING IN ME BEING 3 DOWN LAST NIGHT BUT 1 APPEARED TODAY UNSCATHED BUT NO SIGN OF THE OTHER 2 AND MY PAL WHO WAS WITH ME NOTICED THAT 1 OF HIS BIRDS WAS MISSING HALF IT'S TAIL AS HE WAS BASKETTING TODAY

THEN LAST NIGHT I WAS GOING TO THE COALBURN CLUB SALE AND 1 OF MY SPARE HENS THAT WOULD COME IN ON THE SUNDAY MORNING GOT SINGLED UP IN COALBURN APPROX 12-13MLS AND COME HOME TODAY MINUS HALF HER TAIL SO MUCH FOR SINGLE PIGEONS NOT ATTRACTING AS MUCH ATTENTION :emoticon-0179-headbang:

GOT THEM ALL FROM TODAYS TOSS BUT WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS

[Guest stb-]

Being an oldie and a lifelong "birdie", my early bird books from the '50s, the gos is not on the list of British birds, It's had a lot of help to get where it is today and of course the planting of Fir forests has provided the perfect habitat

they tamper with nature and its all going to blow up in there faces before long and seves them right as holes

[andy Burgess]

they tamper with nature and its all going to blow up in there faces before long and seves them right as holes

i think its already too late Rob .most the damage has been done .even if stopped now it would take decades to return to some where near normality .

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

KEEP DONKING FOLKS.////

[Guest geordiejen]

the year before last there was a petition to sign at blackpool but these things dont really come to much.i sometimes wonder why the rspb are in favour of birds which kill other birds.i remmber watching a nature programme with chris packam and it was about peregranes.he says the birds that get caught by these raptors are the weak ones anyway so the pigeon fancier is getting there bad ones weeded out.what a joke how can you say that if the pigeon has already flown hundreds of miles to then have the energy to outwit a born natural killer.

[yeboah]

Another stinker today from gretna ,Lib 2 groups a 7 and an 8 ,fifteen minutes between them,approx 30 miles ,first single bird arrived 1 1/2 hour later followed by singles at large intervals from 12-30 till 8pm still 3 fine doos down,speaking to a falcon man tonight and he said without even looking for new sites he no's of 9 breeding pair between Gretna and Moffat Thats a pair every 3 miles,no wonder they don't come intact.

[billt]

Makes you wonder where it will all end, It certainly looks a hard time for racing this year