tiger Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 do you think it matters how far we fly them ? as ybs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank-123 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 do you think it matters how far we fly them ? as ybs what do you think your more of a doo man than most on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 depends what ye need for next season bt i wouldnt say its as important as many people think many youngsters that havent been raced on year of birth go on to do well! bt training year of birth is a must omo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 depends what ye need for next season bt i wouldnt say its as important as many people think many youngsters that havent been raced on year of birth go on to do well! bt training year of birth is a must omoGeo, dont know who the many are that gave you this info mate but I will disagree strongly! Distance is not everything in training but ones that are not trained or raced in year of birth gan doon like snaw aff a dyke! True you will get the exeptional one but thats yer lot!!!!!Two or three tosses is plenty for a first race tae say 45 miles and the ones that race consistently, not winners, are the ones that you can trust in yer old bird team!Hope you have the sense tae look after yer team of ybs as its no a sprint its a marathon when ye are startin.No good wiinin loads o races wae yer ybs tae have nae team for naxt years enjoyment?Wish you the best Geo but dont take all the info in, trust in yer instincts and protect yer team?ATB Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Geo, dont know who the many are that gave you this info mate but I will disagree strongly! Distance is not everything in training but ones that are not trained or raced in year of birth gan doon like snaw aff a dyke! True you will get the exeptional one but thats yer lot!!!!!Two or three tosses is plenty for a first race tae say 45 miles and the ones that race consistently, not winners, are the ones that you can trust in yer old bird team!Hope you have the sense tae look after yer team of ybs as its no a sprint its a marathon when ye are startin.No good wiinin loads o races wae yer ybs tae have nae team for naxt years enjoyment?Wish you the best Geo but dont take all the info in, trust in yer instincts and protect yer team?ATB StevenGood advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 first of all i think the quality bird counts and i race my ybs two one hundred mls and stop what i think is the best but they must fly the the coast as yearlins , now got a good strong team for 2012 with snfc ,here's hopein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Geo, dont know who the many are that gave you this info mate but I will disagree strongly! Distance is not everything in training but ones that are not trained or raced in year of birth gan doon like snaw aff a dyke! True you will get the exeptional one but thats yer lot!!!!!Two or three tosses is plenty for a first race tae say 45 miles and the ones that race consistently, not winners, are the ones that you can trust in yer old bird team!Hope you have the sense tae look after yer team of ybs as its no a sprint its a marathon when ye are startin.No good wiinin loads o races wae yer ybs tae have nae team for naxt years enjoyment?Wish you the best Geo but dont take all the info in, trust in yer instincts and protect yer team?ATB StevenI ment you dont have to send them the full programme! Many ppl believe they have to go the full programme which i do not believe Maybe i shouldnt have said MANY un raced ybs do well but there is a few i also said that they must be trained if not raced I will be protecting my team for the future i dont intend in kicking fk oot the ybs i want a decent team of yearling to breed from next year to get a team going edit to add if my team were going strong ofcoarse i will send to the full programme bt i will take it a race at a time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 imo they have to be well trained and raced only the best will be left imo we race them right to young bird national Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 I dont think it matters how far they go its the experience of being race marked, travelling overnight and being libbed with lots of pigeons that stand them in good stead for the rest of their racing life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 I dont think it matters how far they go its the experience of being race marked, travelling overnight and being libbed with lots of pigeons that stand them in good stead for the rest of their racing life. i agree a lot of top men only give there young cocks now 3 or 4 races then hold them back for next year and there seems to be more and more top doo men doing this all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john cumming Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 for me i train my youngsters from 5 miles up to around 30 miles usually around 6 to eight training tosses then to the first race 67 miles. i usually only go as far as 200 miles max, i think its far enough for the youngsters and i wont send them if the weather doesnt look favourable, like some of the comments suggest you have to think about next year?? but not everyone shares the same opinion as there are fanciers who put their birds to the young bird national and will usually fly the whole young bird fed programme up to 250+ miles then send to the national which is some 360 miles give or take a few miles and good luck to them all john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest youngzimmy Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 yes john 100 mls is plenty after all older stock that are winning for you aint getting any any younger so the more care you give them the more likly they will be as candidates to replace older stock as apposed to the camacasi attitude of novo 10 tiger 10 novo 10 nil for common sence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted July 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 yes john 100 mls is plenty after all older stock that are winning for you aint getting any any younger so the more care you give them the more likly they will be as candidates to replace older stock as apposed to the camacasi attitude of novo 10 tiger 10 novo 10 nil for common sencealan its not about me ?its about what others and works for them , john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Don't see what's kamakazi about racing out to young bird national. They're learning a bit more every week and i think I would rely on a pigeon that's been out to that distance than one that's flew 100 miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 yes john 100 mls is plenty after all older stock that are winning for you aint getting any any younger so the more care you give them the more likly they will be as candidates to replace older stock as apposed to the camacasi attitude of novo 10 tiger 10 novo 10 nil for common sencecuckoo head when uve done what we have wae pigeons then i will listen 2 u and when u want to pay for the young ones u got 3 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted July 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Don't see what's kamakazi about racing out to young bird national. They're learning a bit more every week and i think I would rely on a pigeon that's been out to that distance than one that's flew 100 mileseach two his own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissyboy1 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Novo, do you race your full team to the Young bird national or select a number after last federation race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 ive stoped young cocks off proven breeders after only 2 or 3 races and went onto race well as oldbirds just getting them used to race night basket etc is more important than distance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Novo, do you race your full team to the Young bird national or select a number after last federation race?depends how many we have left stop what we think is best for next season usually send more hens than cocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 imo they have to be well trained and raced only the best will be left imo we race them right to young bird national Your right Derek.They ve either got it or they havent, simple as that and how do you find out if they have it.RACE THE FKERS. ( unless they come from proven stock )Everything in the pigeon sport contradicts itself so therefore, I am of the opinion, if they are right, send them. I would rather have 6 decent pigeons in the loft than 50 untried and unknown quantities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Your right Derek.They ve either got it or they havent, simple as that and how do you find out if they have it.RACE THE FKERS. ( unless they come from proven stock )Everything in the pigeon sport contradicts itself so therefore, I am of the opinion, if they are right, send them. I would rather have 6 decent pigeons in the loft than 50 untried and unknown quantities.derek always found out the ones we have raced out turn out to be the best ones imo you cant educate them enough in year of birth then as yearlings not trained as hard only when nationals come around will they then get harder work to fine tune them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john cumming Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 each two his own I AGREE TOTALLY EACH TO THEIR OWN?? ITS DOWN TO WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL FANCIER WANTS/REQUIRES JOHN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael J Burden Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 do you think it matters how far we fly them ? as ybsI think it all depends on what type of birds you have ie sprint middle distance or extreme. I liked to send most of my ybs to a national race which was just under 300 miles. You loose a lot which I always expected to loose as yearlings but without need to feed and clean after them over the winter months. But as I do not always do the same stuff each year I have not raced them but trained them to 65 miles and had soem outstanding yearlings but lost a lot in their first toss as yearlings. atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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