Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Whats your thoughts on young pigeons raced on the darkness?? How do they fare as yearlings and old birds in comparison to natural young birds?
lanarkshire lad Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Whats your thoughts on young pigeons raced on the darkness?? How do they fare as yearlings and old birds in comparison to natural young birds?If there good enough they will do just as good as the natural ones.JMOFor what its worth.
geordie1234 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Was told that they thought they were great yb ok yearling and useless 2yr olds
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 If there good enough they will do just as good as the natural ones.JMOFor what its worth. Aye it should be interesting to here what folk have to say on it. I cannae really make up my mind if there any worst or not for it.Thats the thing about it as well once you've done it you cannae undarken them.Theres no way of knowing if the individual doo would have been any better had it been a natural youngster.Suppose its down to how you treat them.If they are half starved and leathered when they're young yur asking for trouble later on,as you would be with natural babies under the same management
dal2 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Aye it should be interesting to here what folk have to say on it. I cannae really make up my mind if there any worst or not for it.Thats the thing about it as well once you've done it you cannae undarken them.Theres no way of knowing if the individual doo would have been any better had it been a natural youngster.Suppose its down to how you treat them.If they are half starved and leathered when they're young yur asking for trouble later on,as you would be with natural babies under the same managementHow aboot splittin yer team half dark and half natural?
frank-123 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 was just reminded the bird (2year old) i timed from clermont last year was a darkness yb bird done nothing as a young bird nor a yearling but i wont do darkness again
geordie1234 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 was just reminded the bird (2year old) i timed from clermont last year was a darkness yb bird done nothing as a young bird nor a yearling but i wont do darkness againwhy wont you use darkness again? I dont darken just intrested
dal2 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 was just reminded the bird (2year old) i timed from clermont last year was a darkness yb bird done nothing as a young bird nor a yearling but i wont do darkness againHow did the rest o yer darkeness YBs gan?
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 How aboot splittin yer team half dark and half natural? Aye you'll ken yersel if you want to be competetive with youngsters you've probably got to do darkness or light.Mines are too latebred for the light system,another minor drawback is the huts dinnae have power I've a nice wee end that can comfortably hold 24 doos.Was thinking about setting this up for darkness and the rest I'll keep natural. Not been on it since 2005 so we'll see how it goes.
frank-123 Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 How did the rest o yer darkeness YBs gan? down the swanny although to be fair i got wiped out twice with lanarkshire fed at wetherby and think it was scotch cornerso never had many yearlings left i just find the moult is not quite the same as natural birds moult
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 down the swanny although to be fair i got wiped out twice with lanarkshire fed at wetherby and think it was scotch cornerso never had many yearlings left i just find the moult is not quite the same as natural birds moult Aye heard a lot of good fliers say they can tell what yearlings were darkness babies by the feathering
paddymac Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 What about early bred ybs that would been on natural darkness due to shorter evenings, does this affect them later on in their racing careers
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 What about early bred ybs that would been on natural darkness due to shorter evenings, does this affect them later on in their racing careers Some of yer theorists would maybe have you believe they'll not be too hot come yer June/July classics in later life due to their wing moult(they'll be early moulters). Don't know if this is true or not
nogin Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 YE CANNY WHACK IT WI A STEAL ROPE....AND THERE FINE AS OLD BIRDS
yeboah Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Was told that they thought they were great yb ok yearling and useless 2yr oldsMate of mine owns a blue cock bird that was a darkness youngster flew well on the darkness done absolutely nothing as a yearling then from two onwards turned into a racing machine with eight individual firsts and a second open national to its credit .
WulDon Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 imo a pigeon born too win will do on any system with proper care and management... i've had them win as yearlings and score from inland nationals
novo10 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 our young birds on full darkness never stopped them at yearlings or 2 yr old infact still got 3 4 and5 yr olds flew on darkness our bourges hen on darkness so imo doesnt stop them
demolition man Posted March 29, 2011 Report Posted March 29, 2011 ONCE THE BIRDS START TO BODY MOULT ON THE DARK, DO YOU LEAVE THEM IN THE LOFT OR JUST LET THEM OUT AS USEAL UNTIL THERE THROUGH IT?
DJWa Posted March 29, 2011 Report Posted March 29, 2011 was always told by darkness fanciers why do you think we race some as darkys and another team as naturalsbasicly they are topnotch as y/bs but the naturals beat em out of sight as yearingsplus more darkys lost percentage wise as yearlingsthis may just relate to the area im from
JohnQuinn Posted March 29, 2011 Report Posted March 29, 2011 Back racing Natural this season. My 09 birds did not perform as Yearlings last year and although i was 2nd Section 7th Open Lan Fed Yearling derby with my 2008 birds (in 2009) they didn't perform as a team either. I was of the opinion that Darkness wouldn't make a difference to them as they reached the yearling stage, i am now CONVINCED it has a negative effect on the birds as they age so i will stick to natural for the duration i reckon. jmo
aye ready Posted March 29, 2011 Report Posted March 29, 2011 not doing the dark this year after doing it the last 3 years,reason being that with a fed programme of 6 races out to ripon at 158 mls and never flying the y/b national and never intending to i just don't see the point in putting the birds thru that when i've competed out to the the young bird open with the natural youngsters,this is what the 2nd round ones were for and on a second note with being on roundabout for years now i feel i don't get time to enjoy the birds in the garden like i used to because as soon as they land their called in and fed and not disturbed till the next day so this year natural youngsters for me and a bit of qaulity time spent watching the youngsters going about the garden etc
Rooster J. Cogburn Posted March 29, 2011 Author Report Posted March 29, 2011 not doing the dark this year after doing it the last 3 years,reason being that with a fed programme of 6 races out to ripon at 158 mls and never flying the y/b national and never intending to i just don't see the point in putting the birds thru that when i've competed out to the the young bird open with the natural youngsters,this is what the 2nd round ones were for and on a second note with being on roundabout for years now i feel i don't get time to enjoy the birds in the garden like i used to because as soon as they land their called in and fed and not disturbed till the next day so this year natural youngsters for me and a bit of qaulity time spent watching the youngsters going about the garden etc Good call With our furthest fed race being about as far as the YB national winners first we're kinna kidding ourselves on from Leicester anyway-would be nice to win the section though Could always send our doos every week down to Stevie Dalgleish as trainers mind you
dal2 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Posted March 29, 2011 Good call With our furthest fed race being about as far as the YB national winners first we're kinna kidding ourselves on from Leicester anyway-would be nice to win the section though Could always send our doos every week down to Stevie Dalgleish as trainers mind you Dinny know if it would help Lewis mate. Wehave real struggle frae Leicester too! Might be diffo this year wae the Solway racin east
aye ready Posted March 29, 2011 Report Posted March 29, 2011 Good call With our furthest fed race being about as far as the YB national winners first we're kinna kidding ourselves on from Leicester anyway-would be nice to win the section though Could always send our doos every week down to Stevie Dalgleish as trainers mind you and another good call lewis
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