Snfc Proposed Race Points.

[Delboy]

The members will get told at the agm then they can vote what way they want

 

 

Oh, ye dont know the answer then

[Guest bigda]

Oh, ye dont know the answer then

 

 

yep thats the classic, the then minority vote for the majority, as all the member are not informed as what the issues are, a sort of controlled race program before a vote is struck.

As all excuses will be all ready be made up only at the meeting will they then spring the cat out the bag. and there plan will be executed , bigda here for the under dog if you cant attend yer meeting ask your delegates to get a summery of what is going to be proposed before its to late failure to do so could have a big impact on you not winning the national or gold cup, its a pity they never checked out the watering situation as was the case at Ypres, and the birds having to drink foreign water could have had an adverse affect

on the birds as it would if we had to drink foreign water we should be able to bring extra water of our own in long journeys as like the race horse management leave nothing to chance as they make sure there horses have there own water they are used to

[geordie1234]

Helpful to see some of the distances for Liege. Acknowledge that the further East you go, the 'overfly' shrinks, but IMO the number that's important is '500' miles, and Liege falls far short of that for those flying into the Borders. I think the Gold Cup race and Longest races should be set at a minimum of 500 miles and 600 miles respectively into the Borders.

 

We already have 1 x '400' mile channel race, Ypres, also Belgium. Quite apart from the commmorative significance of the race point, another attraction was that it was to become an International race. Don't know why that hasn't happened but I feel there is room for Scotland to compete in an International race, most of which are from Western France (where some on here would like to fly from) Dax, Pau etc. Wouldn't that be a more fitting longest race, testing the Scottish pigeons in an international contest?

WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SCOTTISH DOOS AT THE INTERNATIONALS

[Guest bigda]

try anyone one from 4. tarbes,cholet, messac, saintes

what one or 2 do you prefer as thats yer choice me thinks

[Chris Little]

Getting back to the topic of Liege.

 

When the SNFC had a race from Liege in 2001 what was the race like in terms of returns

 

Looks like no one on here can remember what returns were like from Liege.

 

Having spoken to local fanciers they tell me two things, returns in the south were poor from Liege and secondly they are against this racepoint.....

[lanarkshire lad]

Looks like no one on here can remember what returns were like from Liege.

 

Having spoken to local fanciers they tell me two things, returns in the south were poor from Liege and secondly they are against this racepoint.....

I think leige is the wrong way to go.The snfc will have a small convoy there for a start and if they happen to meet some of these large dutch convoys its possible the pigeons could get dragged into holland then they have the north sea to contend with. Theres far too many minuses from leige for my liking.I think we should stick to tradition and stay in france for the gold cup race REIMS JMO.Infact the SNFC might end up with a VERY small convoy if leige is voted in as going by whats being said a lot of fanciers might think twice about sending to it.I thought that one of the priorities was to get the numbers up for the Gold cup race going by whats being said the opposite is more likely.JMO

[budgie]

Thats the point i was reffering to earlier on numbers and it is strange that no one can go back to the outcome of the race.

[Guest bigda]

Thats the point i was reffering to earlier on numbers and it is strange that no one can go back to the outcome of the race.

 

 

what you wanting to know like, the guys in the east Did"int go they where to scared to race with the wind on the beak 90% of the guys on east and south east never went as i believe the wind for that weekend changed, and they didn't like it as they are now sweating buckets in case it gets the call again. go east and they have the wind on there beak from the start of the race

[Guest bigda]

dont know what all the fuss is about yer going to Messac, GOLD CUP end off bigda as is.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Thats the point i was reffering to earlier on numbers and it is strange that no one can go back to the outcome of the race.

 

Thats because as just another typical Gold cup race were returns were average for most members.

 

Apart from clashing the biggest problem that Liege posses for the members of the SNFC is the thought of the birds running into unpredicted bad weather on route across a spanse of water of 200-300 miles even more so with strong westerly winds, on mainland the birds have the added luxury of firm land but on the water there is no mercy for them.

Though there is no doubt in my mind that the further east you go then the fairer it is for ALL of Scotland

[Rebus]

1972 r@h kennedy irvine rennes t harper stranrare 1968 rennes nash

1966 croy j willson lanark 1960 j marshall1952 hamilton 1949 g mitchell gartcoch, w grey chryston f murdock baillistone 1928 j brown lie 1925 carluke j birrell renfrew 1924

white and dickson paisley 1923

w gardner 19 22 glasgow t paton 1912 galston

jmc mekin glasgow 1911 t chambers 1906 motherwell

wyper'tate quarter 1905

j tennent bothwell 1904

D.T.Angus Symington 1st & 4th open Rennes 1962

Mitchell Bros. Douglas Water 2nd open Rennes 1973 beaten by 0.4 of a yard by a pigeon in Coldingham in a west wind how unlucky can you get ?

[dal2]

Thats because as just another typical Gold cup race were returns were average for most members.

 

Apart from clashing the biggest problem that Liege posses for the members of the SNFC is the thought of the birds running into unpredicted bad weather on route across a spanse of water of 200-300 miles even more so with strong westerly winds, on mainland the birds have the added luxury of firm land but on the water there is no mercy for them.

Though there is no doubt in my mind that the further east you go then the fairer it is for ALL of Scotland

Lets go frae Oslo then Gareth like Danny says!!!!

Have a look at the race measurementf rom Ypres this year Mr Duthie, Mr Quinn and some joker frae ecclefechan have some very interesting measurements

[Guest bigda]

2 fanciers i forgot to mention won the gold cup 1 is from averances1977 j wallace ayr vel 1239 and also J POOLE 19 75 NEWMAINS VEL 983

[robbiedoo.]

2 fanciers i forgot to mention won the gold cup 1 is from averances1977 j wallace ayr vel 1239 and also J POOLE 19 75 NEWMAINS VEL 983

 

so the national has been won quite a few times in the west section from france and they still want to go east for a couple o mile of overfly sad realy why not keep the tradition of french channel racing and make the race points dead south of the central belt of scotland .guys we will send our doos regardless of where the race is from but why change every year and have to pay for new measurements again when the sport is getting expensive enough .i think instead of overfly common sense is needed to keep the tradition of this great club intact JMO

[Chris Little]

so the national has been won quite a few times in the west section from france and they still want to go east for a couple o mile of overfly sad realy why not keep the tradition of french channel racing and make the race points dead south of the central belt of scotland .guys we will send our doos regardless of where the race is from but why change every year and have to pay for new measurements again when the sport is getting expensive enough .i think instead of overfly common sense is needed to keep the tradition of this great club intact JMO

 

Exactly mate, good post

[JohnQuinn]

Could anyone from the SNFC management committee give a reason for the proposed change of race points i.e Bovington - Rivenhall Eastbourne - Folkestone and especially Reims- Liege

 

The management committee recommend what the majority of the committee vote for.

Just like any other meeting the decisions taken at them are discussed then Voted on and the Majority vote is carried.

Now when the Proposal is put to the members, they will vote and the racepoint that receives the most votes will be where we race from. NO ONE is TELLING you that you will race from any particular racepoint, ESPECIALLY Not the M/C.

Edited January 16, 2011 by JohnQuinn

[frank-123]

The management committee recommend what the majority of the committee vote for.

Just like any other meeting the decisions taken at them are discussed then Voted on and the Majority vote is carried.

Now when the Proposal is put to the members, they will vote and the racepoint that receives the most votes will be where we race from. NO ONE is TELLING you that you will race from any particular racepoint, ESPECIALLY Not the M/C.

 

 

John surely someone in the management committee said there was a problem with Reims,Bovingdon and Eastbourne so that's why they came up with other racepoints

it would be good to hear what problems were encountered at the above locations before the vote at the agm or why the management committee came up with these new racepoints

[JohnQuinn]

John surely someone in the management committee said there was a problem with Reims,Bovingdon and Eastbourne so that's why they came up with other racepoints

it would be good to hear what problems were encountered at the above locations before the vote at the agm or why the management committee came up with these new racepoints

 

The fact is Frank they were all discussed just like they will be at the AGM, where i would predict all the members will have their say on the reasons why they prefer one racepoint to another. We all had our say at the meeting and voted on the racepoints that we as individuals thought would be best. We didn't all agree on the proposal being put forward, however as is democracy, the ones that got the most votes are the ones being proposed.

I don't think it would be prudent to post on a forum the views of each M/C member, where non members can throw in remarks which would be unwelcome, just as non members are not welcome at an AGM.

[Guest bigda]

John surely someone in the management committee said there was a problem with Reims,Bovingdon and Eastbourne so that's why they came up with other racepoints

it would be good to hear what problems were encountered at the above locations before the vote at the agm or why the management committee came up with these new racepoints

 

correct, but you see its not yer choice to an extent you will be led into a one way direction a sort of a spin and the likes, its to do with the unc and them having bad races last year, now that the cat is out the bag Pilgrims i can only do so much ask cloockie on hear whats what if you go not knowing as they hope you will have yer pocket diped and you will not even know it bigda as is

[JohnQuinn]

correct, but you see its not yer choice to an extent you will be led into a one way direction a sort of a spin and the likes, its to do with the unc and them having bad races last year, now that the cat is out the bag Pilgrims i can only do so much ask cloockie on hear whats what if you go not knowing as they hope you will have yer pocket diped and you will not even know it bigda as is

 

That is a Pile o' P**s Danny. I WAS THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frank-123]

The fact is Frank they were all discussed just like they will be at the AGM, where i would predict all the members will have their say on the reasons why they prefer one racepoint to another. We all had our say at the meeting and voted on the racepoints that we as individuals thought would be best. We didn't all agree on the proposal being put forward, however as is democracy, the ones that got the most votes are the ones being proposed.

I don't think it would be prudent to post on a forum the views of each M/C member, where non members can throw in remarks which would be unwelcome, just as non members are not welcome at an AGM.

 

Thanks for the reply john hopefully the committee that proposed the racepoints will say why at the agm of

you would not want non members on here having a say on the fine club that is the snfc

[JohnQuinn]

Thanks for the reply john hopefully the committee that proposed the racepoints will say why at the agm of course

 

I'm sure the President will outline why we reached our conclusions, if he gets the opportunity to speak before the hysteria starts!

[Guest bigda]

That is a Pile o' P**s Danny. I WAS THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

come come john these Pilgrims are asking me to draw it out, messac is only 15 mile from rennes and the vote is for there am i right

[JohnQuinn]

come come john these Pilgrims are asking me to draw it out, messac is only 15 mile from rennes and the vote is for there am i right

 

I have given HONEST responses on this, if you read my last 2 posts you will be fully in the picture

[Guest bigda]

I have given HONEST responses on this, if you read my last 2 posts you will be fully in the picture

 

 

ok i say no more bigda as is