Buying Doos

[JohnQuinn]

With Blackpool looming i was wondering what will determine whether you buy a pigeon or not, Will it be its Pedigree or the way it Handles that will make your mind up???

 

 

I personally don't particularly care what the Pedigree has on it, if i don't like it in my hand i won't buy, so Handling the bird is my choice.

Only thing wrong with this at Blackpool is, half the time spent at the sale is waiting for someone to pass the bird to you. I do understand there are low life thieves about but its still frustrating standing there waiting.

[dal2]

Both are essential

[JohnQuinn]

Both are essential

 

But what is your Priority?

 

I have bought several pigeons over the years without pedigree, they have either scored well or bred the goods, i chose these by hand.

NOT every bird of course but a fair few none the less.

[CHUNK73]

handling for me any1 can make a pedigree atb

[lanarkshire lad]

But what is your Priority?

 

I have bought several pigeons over the years without pedigree, they have either scored well or bred the goods, i chose these by hand.

NOT every bird of course but a fair few none the less.

For me if the doo disnae come from very good ancestors then the chances of it becoming any use is remote but not impossible.

[yeboah]

Would agree just like a derby winner got to be bred for the job

As for Blackpool 100% not coming back with one

[dal2]

But what is your Priority?

 

I have bought several pigeons over the years without pedigree, they have either scored well or bred the goods, i chose these by hand.

NOT every bird of course but a fair few none the less.

Ped then John

[aye ready]

i usually find if a pigeon catches my eye thats the first instinct then i'll handle the bird if it's pleasing to the eye and hand then ped/price comes into play

[Guest stb-]

But what is your Priority?

 

I have bought several pigeons over the years without pedigree, they have either scored well or bred the goods, i chose these by hand.

NOT every bird of course but a fair few none the less.

couldnt give a if they have pedigrees or not as long as there offf the birds that i want em from , never look at pedigrees , if the birds have the winning genes the paper dont make em no bettewr IMO

[Delboy]

blood ( genes )is the main thing I would say. Ask any pigeon photographer, national winners come in all shapes and sizes, although ye hope they are pleasing to the eye because you have to look at them all year. I have 3 birds direct of national winners in the loft, every one is a fankle in the hand but we ll see how they go

[aye ready]

blood ( genes )is the main thing I would say. Ask any pigeon photographer, national winners come in all shapes and sizes, although ye hope they are pleasing to the eyebecause you have to look at them all year. I have 3 birds direct of national winners in the loft, every one is a fankle in the hand but we ll see how they go

the more they hit that board on a saturday derek the better they look every time

[Guest WINGS 04]

For me the doo has to look the part then I will handel it a d if I like it I will put a price on what I think it's worth then that is it

[b.massey]

I like them to handle. Usually find the good ones have something about them in the hand. Cheers

[holmsidelofts]

For me it is also both.

 

The pedigree is only as good as the trust you put in the person that provides it. You have to go to a genuine fancier who you can trust. If you can trust the pedigree is correct for the bird it will give you an idea of how far back the winning birds are. You have to have birds out of birds that were racing and winning, its no good having great grand parents who were the last racers or winners because the further you go from the winners the less likely you are to produce those winning genes.

Handling is important as well, the bird has to be balanced, good feathering and i like to see a bird that struggles a little in the hand.

 

Neither of the above guarantees anything but it does improve your chances of producing a winner.

 

The only real way to find out is in the basket.

 

jas.

[bullcock]

couldnt give a if they have pedigrees or not as long as there offf the birds that i want em from , never look at pedigrees , if the birds have the winning genes the paper dont make em no bettewr IMO

 

you say your not intrested in the pedigree's but who they are off of, who they are off of is what makes a pedigree?

 

anyway every loft has birds that handle well and most birds at shows handle well but most wouldnt race well or breed good racers, so my choice is pedigree 1st then handling, but you need to trust who your buying from

remeber a bird from winning genes is a bird with a pedigree.

[gulkie]

basket.

[Roland]

Steff Van Reet, only ever bought birds he handled. Of course as there is no such thing as 'Eye Sign' in Belgium etc. this never came into the equeation..... Mind I bet he was only handling 'Proven Birds' from top fanciers, and 'Old pals' etc.

[budgie]

Check the 2% and make up your own mind with the basket being the deciding factor. and dont knock back 2nd Generation pigeons

Edited January 11, 2011 by budgie

[Guest IB]

First I think you are attracted to a sale because a certain name is selling? If you know that person's birds then you may be looking for a certain line? First thing I look at is the bird in the pen. Might then walk on by because I just don't like the look of it? If I do like look of it, then I handle the pigeon, and if I still like it I then check the pedigree to confirm it's the line I know and am looking for.

 

I've only been to Blackpool once, went there for specific names, saw & handled birds on offer, in one case I didn't fancy the pigeon, in the other I reckoned (right or wrong) that it was no better than birds I already had at home, that came without pedigree.

[Guest mick bowler]

They say pedigrees dont win races, that i think is not quite right. If we didnt have pedigrees quite frankly we would all be peeing in the wind. Other than direct parentage, we would be in the dark, its gives up some pointers to what we want,and whats in the blood (genes) but obviously never any guarantees.

 

To answer you question fully John, pedigree (breeding/family) is my first point of interest, secondly its the handling and type. To me both are a factor, but as you cant handle a pigeon out the books it has to be pedigree then handling, but for me to bring in it has to have BOTH! I have bought blind though and had good and bad.

 

Just to say i've never owned or handled a class pigeon without it being a bit special in the hand, the "x-factor" i call it, maybe i'm a bit lucky, but that always seems to of been the case.

[Guest KING BILLY]

But what is your Priority?

 

I have bought several pigeons over the years without pedigree, they have either scored well or bred the goods, i chose these by hand.

NOT every bird of course but a fair few none the less.

john what would you consider scored well could you give 3 examples club fed and national

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

A top flier in my area told me if you are ever in a position where your in a good fanciers loft and he asks you to pick out his best pigeon pick the one that you wouldn't give a second glance.

Hes not goint to be keeping it because it looks nice but he'll have his reasons

[Guest stb-]

you say your not intrested in the pedigree's but who they are off of, who they are off of is what makes a pedigree?

 

anyway every loft has birds that handle well and most birds at shows handle well but most wouldnt race well or breed good racers, so my choice is pedigree 1st then handling, but you need to trust who your buying from

remeber a bird from winning genes is a bird with a pedigree.

nope not what i mean i know folk who wont buy a pigeon dosent matter what its of if they dont get a paper pedigree with all the past relatives on it loadsa ring numbers and birds colour

the paper dont make it better , its about getting them from the top producers or top winning birds , wouldnt bother me even if they were not rung as long as i could gaurantee they were from a certain bird or birds

[mushroom]

I usually buy what I like the look of,from the family of birds I prefer. Pedigrees and handling are also the personal preference of every buyer. I have often got it very wrong and will probably continue to do so but it is all part of the pleasure and pain of pigeon racing.

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

nope not what i mean i know folk who wont buy a pigeon dosent matter what its of if they dont get a paper pedigree with all the past relatives on it loadsa ring numbers and birds colour

the paper dont make it better , its about getting them from the top producers or top winning birds , wouldnt bother me even if they were not rung as long as i could gaurantee they were from a certain bird or birds

 

exactly it has to be bred from the right doos or genes.. before you would then take in to consideration how it handles..(not that, that isnt important).. but its a little bit like the chicken and the egg...

 

no point having a perfect doo... wing, tail, balance.. eye.. whatever it is each individual fancier looks at, if its bred of generations of non performers..