' Dipped ' Pigeons

[Delboy]

Are you saying you havent got some dipped pigeons Brian ?

[b.massey]

Am not stupid and would look stupid to try say there aint show doo in them somewhere. But only some. But I have never personally crossed any my birds. I aint got show racers in my loft. I actually dislike them.. They are not my type. But trust me when I say some of the birds of mine that are in tip top condition get called dipped when they are 100% racers. Thats fact. I have Jan aarden birds with pedigree getting called dipped

[Delboy]

Am not stupid and would look stupid to try say there aint show doo in them somewhere. But only some. But I have never personally crossed any my birds. I aint got show racers in my loft. I actually dislike them.. They are not my type. But trust me when I say some of the birds of mine that are in tip top condition get called dipped when they are 100% racers. Thats fact. I have Jan aarden birds with pedigree getting called dipped

 

 

yip, I can understand that m8

[b.massey]

yip, I can understand that m8

 

Its just a thing that will never sort its self out. Just wish people would be honest and only put flown birds in flown classes. then there would be no issue. Everyone would be happy

[showman]

Sorry, but not necessarily correct. I know of teams of what are referred to as 'dipped' and they don't have any show racer in their bloodlines at all.

In fact, just thinking about this....to cross in a pure show racer could set you back years !!

[dal2]

In fact, just thinking about this....to cross in a pure show racer could set you back years !!

Who knows then. Dipped doos are not crossed and racers canny compete so long reign the likeliest class for wot ever its worth. Lets make it a most likeliest to be a good show bird and another class for makin a good racer to 500 miles then?

[wesley]

Am not stupid and would look stupid to try say there aint show doo in them somewhere. But only some. But I have never personally crossed any my birds. I aint got show racers in my loft. I actually dislike them.. They are not my type. But trust me when I say some of the birds of mine that are in tip top condition get called dipped when they are 100% racers. Thats fact. I have Jan aarden birds with pedigree getting called dipped

is the ones you got from p murphy dipped i can tell you this ther was no jan aarden in them

[wesley]

and they did race and win for p murphy

[Guest H@wkBait]

If a judge cant pick out a dipped doo in a racing class he/she shouldnt be judging we had boys buy birds at blackpool to cross with there racers to try and beat us but every show there birds got nothing what made it even more pleasurable winning

[maverick]

Am not stupid and would look stupid to try say there aint show doo in them somewhere. But only some. But I have never personally crossed any my birds. I aint got show racers in my loft. I actually dislike them.. They are not my type. But trust me when I say some of the birds of mine that are in tip top condition get called dipped when they are 100% racers. Thats fact. I have Jan aarden birds with pedigree getting called dipped

 

 

A few years back I had a Powder blue hen DELBAR out and out racer when i showed her thats all i heard was dipped beleive me she won racing was bred from racers and no show birds in her Like you said brian if in condition condition is the factor

[clockman]

A few years back I had a Powder blue hen DELBAR out and out racer when i showed her thats all i heard was dipped beleive me she won racing was bred from racers and no show birds in her Like you said brian if in condition condition is the factor

 

 

Are you sure ,

[demolition man]

Could you explain the word DIPPED please? not got a scooby do what your on about:: :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

No worry's just read it on another post: :emoticon-0123-party:

[Guest geordiejen]

ok guys i dont race pigeons but i do have pure show racers,my question is does a racing pigeon who gets raced week in week out have the ring number regestered with the club and all races entered logged somewhere?if so can this not be proof that a pigeon only bred for showing will not have a proven certificate and cannot be entered into a racing pigeon show?im sure this could clear it up as a fancier who breeds crosses for showing only the bird will not have the stamina to do all these races and will it be worth it for a fancier to do this week in week out for the reason to pic up a cerificate when the shows come around.

[b.massey]

All club secretaries keep the forms or the ring numbers of all the birds that were at each race for 2 years as proof

[JohnQuinn]

The problem with "proof" Geordie is that racing fanciers get their pal the club Sec to sign a flown certificate for them. I have said this before as i know it to be true. The upsetting thing about it is that neither the fancier nor Sec even give this Cheating a second thought. I agree with Derek that in an ideal world "dipped" doos would have their own class, however i also agree with Brian that some fanciers would never admit they crossed their doos. My solution to this would be to appoint a respected racing man and showing man to weed the crosses out and place them in a separate class before judging started. This would only apply to "prestige" shows because its the prestige the fancier craves, not the finance. JMO!!!

[DJWa]

The problem with "proof" Geordie is that racing fanciers get their pal the club Sec to sign a flown certificate for them. I have said this before as i know it to be true. The upsetting thing about it is that neither the fancier nor Sec even give this Cheating a second thought. I agree with Derek that in an ideal world "dipped" doos would have their own class, however i also agree with Brian that some fanciers would never admit they crossed their doos. My solution to this would be to appoint a respected racing man and showing man to weed the crosses out and place them in a separate class before judging started. This would only apply to "prestige" shows because its the prestige the fancier craves, not the finance. JMO!!!

 

all well and good in a perfect world john

but you know aswell as i that nobody can be 100% in selecting out dipped birds

what happens when in the judges opinion he pulls out a bird that looks great

and he thinks is too good to be a racer when infact that is what it actually is

i or you wouldnt be too happy if your main candidate was discarded

[b.massey]

You honestly think some of these birds don't race john??

 

If you have time you are welcome out to my lofts before the racing 2013. You can pick any you think are maybe dipped birds. Then we will basket them and you can watch them go into race baskets and come back sat for the race?? Seems only way you'll believe there flown.

[Guest lambrechts31]

Serious question.. CAN YOU TELL BY LOOKING AT A PIGEON THROUGH A SHOW PEN IF ITS A DIPPED PIGEON OR DO YOU NEED TO HANDLE IT ??

[dms5686]

Serious question.. CAN YOU TELL BY LOOKING AT A PIGEON THROUGH A SHOW PEN IF ITS A DIPPED PIGEON OR DO YOU NEED TO HANDLE IT ??

By looking at them the sad thing is you get the ocasional showy looking racer that gets dropped when it should be actualy winning

[Guest geordiejen]

well if theres any proof in pals signing racing forms then all parties involved are only kidding themselves on.if you cheat then the certificate is worthless to you.surely the show scene should be seen as a place where all doo fanciers get together and have a good time,a laugh,wind ups and a chance to have a look at some other fanciers nice doos.people who cheat only ruin things for the honest fancier.i feel sorry for the ones who have nice racing pigeons that were produced to race and are catagorised or accused of having a pigeon that was bred to win in a showpen.

[airdrie2]

the first show i was ever involved in and showed in at the end the judge said to me a cracken class of doos but there is a cracking blue pied cock in pen 1? but i didnt give it the first it deserved because it is dipped doo guess what it was mine and had raced out to eastbourne never ever took showing that serious since then leave that to the brother with his fancy show doos

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

woder how many of these pigeons would be entered if the show reserved the right to liberate these birds.

 

 

The Edinbourgh Xmas race could be a show as well as a race.

 

 

Show first then lets see how good we all are at conecting what we see with race results.

 

 

One thing for sure not to many Dipped doos taking part.

 

So next year guys get these Xmas race birds penned and give us all a go at picking winners at a fiver a go, its sure to enhance both the financies as well as the overall interest in this popular event.

[b.massey]

woder how many of these pigeons would be entered if the show reserved the right to liberate these birds.

 

 

The Edinbourgh Xmas race could be a show as well as a race.

 

 

Show first then lets see how good we all are at conecting what we see with race results.

 

 

 

Where would the show be? What if fanciers come from dundee\aberdeen? Some have to fly 5-10 miles and some 100 miles??

 

One thing for sure not to many Dipped doos taking part.

 

So next year guys get these Xmas race birds penned and give us all a go at picking winners at a fiver a go, its sure to enhance both the financies as well as the overall interest in this popular event.

[ALF]

I think too much is being made of the dipped doos in the shows I judged at dalzell a couple of weeks back and there was dipped doos in the class but I just walked right past them without even a 2nd glance if in doubt leave them out ...

[b.massey]

I think too much is being made of the dipped doos in the shows I judged at dalzell a couple of weeks back and there was dipped doos in the class but I just walked right past them without even a 2nd glance if in doubt leave them out ...

 

 

Good post. People are making rules here and rules there! Let people show what they want to show and let the judge pick what he wants to pick. End of the day its only one mans opinion and let the race basket inform us what the champions are