Tony C Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 Scenario. A club official calls at an ETS users loft and deems the trap in he’s/hers opinion is not within the rules set out, he’s/hers interpretation differs from that of the ETS user. The way I see it the club will have to back the official as it was them that put him/her in the job. Its going to be a bit like the offside rule, active or not? your just going to have to go with the refs decision. Murphy’s law says if it can happen it will!
pjc Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 Scenario. A club official calls at an ETS users loft and deems the trap in he’s/hers opinion is not within the rules set out, he’s/hers interpretation differs from that of the ETS user. The way I see it the club will have to back the official as it was them that put him/her in the job. Its going to be a bit like the offside rule, active or not? your just going to have to go with the refs decision. Murphy’s law says if it can happen it will! Totaly agree, I would get the members together and agree style of trapping system after which when the officials seal the unit it has to then be classed as approved. Once aproved nobody can complain about it!
THE FIFER Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 the bird must be in captivaty, ie. not able to fly off once clocked, the bobwires on this one are on the wrong side the bird would be timed before the bird was through them, so before the bird was in the comfines of the loft, put the wires on the front and they would be ok,
Roland Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 What if my trapping board is a sliding out mechanicism? In most of the time so birds can't land and enter the loft. Slid out when allowed to enter their loft? :o :-/ :-/ :-/ It must and is within te confines of the PROXIMITY of the confines as needed and that's for sure. Indeed it has to be pulled / slid out to enable me to open a sliding door! This has to be done in order to enable me to enter the loft even to feed them and / or clean them out! :-/
TERRY JOHNSON Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 Fanciers have for years timed birds after picking them up off the EXTERNAL landing board & then clocking them BEFORE they have entered the confines of the loft ----- if thats ok then surely the trap in the photo is too.
Beanz Posted March 16, 2009 Report Posted March 16, 2009 I have 4 of these 2 on old bird 2 on young bird, my m8 has 1 which he built himself which is exactly like these and that was before they advertised them. Paul
tskyes Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 the bird must be in captivaty, ie. not able to fly off once clocked, the bobwires on this one are on the wrong side the bird would be timed before the bird was through them, so before the bird was in the comfines of the loft, put the wires on the front and they would be ok, IF THAT`S THE CASE THEN WHAT ABOUT THE SPEED TRAP ? THAT HAS THE BOBWIRES AT THE BACK MAKING THE BIRD TIMED IN BEFORE IT IS IN THE LOFT ! THESE DISSCUSSIONS CAN GO ON FOREVER MORE BUT IF THE TRAPS HAVE BEEN PASSED THEN THAT IS IT !
Roland Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Don't think that they have been endorsed... and really once a bird is in the stall trap, it can't fly back up to the roof and still be timed in. Just another little benefit for the ET's which has been sowed now, and beginning to get reaped. That's life, good, bad or indifferen I can't see it being changed or least wise reversed. I persume further that much will depend on the feeling on the clubs as to what they will accept .... then thoses that don't will say what about the Nationals and sections. The reading is to be within the confines of the loft.... that proximity can be anyway within reason, - and not confined within the loft! Yes the states do - or did have the ruling that the pads must be inside the Upright of the loft. So that a bird had to be over 2/3rds inside to be timed in. So yes obviously wasn't able to time in then fly up on the roofs etc.
PIGEON_MAN Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 the bird must be in captivaty, ie. not able to fly off once clocked, the bobwires on this one are on the wrong side the bird would be timed before the bird was through them, so before the bird was in the comfines of the loft, put the wires on the front and they would be ok, Is this SHU rules because there is nowhere in the RPRA RULES that says the bird cant fly off after it is clocked.The bird doesn,t have to be within the confines of the loft the ets pad does (RPRA RULES),the bob wires are perfectly legal where they are (RPRA RULES),SHU might be completly differant.
PIGEON_MAN Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 iv ordered 2 anyway Just make sure when you fit them on the loft the main part of the trap is inside the loft,the only part that is outside is the landing board,so when you fold that up it is all flush with the front of the loft,then its all legal with RPRA rules dont know about any other unions.
Blue Tooner Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 the bird must be in captivaty, ie. not able to fly off once clocked, the bobwires on this one are on the wrong side the bird would be timed before the bird was through them, so before the bird was in the comfines of the loft, put the wires on the front and they would be ok, Agree with the fifer here, if the rules contained the first six words of what he says above it would have saved a lot of arguments. Once everyone is on ets it won't matter as much, the pads could be on the landing board, just my opinion.
Beanz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 241. The antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or trapping systems, not underneath external landing boards. Club officials may make random checks at any time. Contravention of this rule will result in disciplinary action under rule 70A. At no time does it say the trap has to be flush up with the front of the loft. Paul
robbiedoo. Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 i have a woodcraft trap on my young bird section and a petron one on my old bird section . i just cant understand why people wont let all this ets traps stuff go to bed .the bottom line is no bird no time in no matter what timing system you use.
tskyes Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 i have a woodcraft trap on my young bird section and a petron one on my old bird section . i just cant understand why people wont let all this ets traps stuff go to bed .the bottom line is no bird no time in no matter what timing system you use. THAT`S TO EASY FOR SOME OF THEM TO UNDERSTAND MATE
REDCHEQHEN Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Fanciers have for years timed birds after picking them up off the EXTERNAL landing board & then clocking them BEFORE they have entered the confines of the loft ----- if thats ok then surely the trap in the photo is too. I've only managed this once in 5 years - but the clock was in the loft anyway I can only catch the little b*ggers in the loft - I'm not quick enough
PIGEON_MAN Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 241. The antennae of the ETS must be fitted within the confines of the loft or trapping systems, not underneath external landing boards. Club officials may make random checks at any time. Contravention of this rule will result in disciplinary action under rule 70A. At no time does it say the trap has to be flush up with the front of the loft. The reason I posted the above is because if the main part of the trap was outside of the loft it would make it illegal.
shotgun tim Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Posted March 17, 2009 well sais robbiedoo the bird still has to fly home
robbiedoo. Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 it just p**es me off all the ets crap if you want it get it if you dont stop moaning and try harder to beat all the ets boys .just because the bird has a ets ring on it dosent make it fly any quicker . :(
shotgun tim Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Posted March 17, 2009 you took the words out of my mouth
Blue Tooner Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 i have a woodcraft trap on my young bird section and a petron one on my old bird section . i just cant understand why people wont let all this ets traps stuff go to bed .the bottom line is no bird no time in no matter what timing system you use. To me it doesn't matter where the pads are, but if the rules were black and white all the hassle and arguments about ets traps wouldn't exist. The way the rule is worded at present just gives fuel to the anti-ets brigade. My birds have to drop into a sputnik and then go over the pad unlike a lot of lofts in the fed but when I've been beat it's because they had a better bird in the race than me and not because of the trapping system . ETS is here to stay regardless of any doubters. Robbie you'll know as much as I do how many anti-ets fanciers there were in our fed, but now every club is using it and as far as I know they all think it's fantastic. The sooner everyone is on ets the better and more up to date our sport will be. It's time to move out of the dark ages :-/
Beanz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 look lets be honest about this at the end of the day it is a faster way of clocking, most people who have it have got it for that reason, it is nothing to do with helping the disabled for most people so accept it for what it is and don't try to hide behind the disabled banner, that is the main reason for a lot of the upset. Yes I have got it and it is to clock pigeons quicker no other reason. Paul
PIGEON_MAN Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 To me it doesn't matter where the pads are, but if the rules were black and white all the hassle and arguments about ets traps wouldn't exist. The way the rule is worded at present just gives fuel to the anti-ets brigade. My birds have to drop into a sputnik and then go over the pad unlike a lot of lofts in the fed but when I've been beat it's because they had a better bird in the race than me and not because of the trapping system . ETS is here to stay regardless of any doubters. Robbie you'll know as much as I do how many anti-ets fanciers there were in our fed, but now every club is using it and as far as I know they all think it's fantastic. The sooner everyone is on ets the better and more up to date our sport will be. It's time to move out of the dark ages :-/ Do you have differant rules in Scotland than we do in the RPRA as personally I cannot see any problem at all with the RPRA ruling it seems straight forward enough to me.
shotgun tim Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Posted March 17, 2009 look lets be honest about this at the end of the day it is a faster way of clocking, most people who have it have got it for that reason, it is nothing to do with helping the disabled for most people so accept it for what it is and don't try to hide behind the disabled banner, that is the main reason for a lot of the upset. Yes I have got it and it is to clock pigeons quicker no other reason. Paul DU THINK IT MATTERS ABOUT 5 SECONDS WHEN YOUR FLYING 500+
Beanz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Tim, Correct it doesn't matter when you are flying over the water but I like all racing and try to competitive in them all and as most winds are either Southerly or Westerly, then if you have a bird with the winners you want it to be timed asap. Paul
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