Snfc/Snrpc

[dal2]

The members of the SNFC in Jan 2009 did have a vote and decided to continue it's alengencies to the SHU and this was by quite a large majority, wether this is right or wrong I don't know but it's no different to members of the NFC having to be members of the RPRA.

 

 

So Gareth do all members of NFC need to be affiliated to the RPRA and not just a memeber of any other board such as the WHU or are these organisations already akin to the NFC. This is a genuine question as I am pretty ignorant concerning the rules and regs and if they differ considerably between societys?

[VMS]

The members of the SNFC in Jan 2009 did have a vote and decided to continue it's alengencies to the SHU and this was by quite a large majority, wether this is right or wrong I don't know but it's no different to members of the NFC having to be members of the RPRA.

 

Yes but the original vote that lead to this had a large majority vote in favour of the any union rule,but sadly not the 2/3Rd's that was required.Correct me if i am wrong Gareth but it was only something like 8 votes short of the 2/3Rd's Majority.For me the any union rule is the way forward in the short term,off course there is long term but can the sport in Scotland afford the long term.??????

[eastcoaster]

the 2 nationals to form in to one and all the federations on or in the borders of pentland fed to form in to one . would be great racing but would never happen. it would be like Celtic and rangers getting together to make one team or hearts and hibs for that matter.

i agree with blaz about pentland fed my brother and i raced in east of scotland fed but we miss out on the boundry by a couple o hundred yds for their open races it`s a joke, but like you say its the same with the nats they have hatered for each other .But even those who left are coming back slowly ourselves included. the hawks are both our enemy so at least pull together on that .

[Guest IB]

i want to belong to midlothian federation and pentland hills federation

but i can,t as you can,t be a member of both.

 

 

It is a double-edged sword Gary. You have a right to apply for membership to any organisation but no right of entry. That is up to the organisation's members, and they can pass any rule debarring entry provided the reason is legal.

 

SNFC members voted 3:1 to keep club open to SHU members only.

 

North West Fed has same rules, single Fed membership, SHU members only.

[Guest bigda]

I think you will find what you are suggesting is illegal. People have a right to belong (or not) to any organisation of their choosing.

 

"Freedom of choice", most of us exercise that every day..

 

 

there is a choice, one or the other, as thats what the split is all about, you give the members a vote to stay or go simple, it no good subsidizing the other as you are of the business minded as you stated the other day

[hotrod]

The members of the SNFC in Jan 2009 did have a vote and decided to continue it's alengencies to the SHU and this was by quite a large majority, wether this is right or wrong I don't know but it's no different to members of the NFC having to be members of the RPRA.

 

 

just a quick reply to this post ,the infc has members of both the rpra and the ihu and has done for years with no probs . surely its up to the members to decide and they DID DECIDE FAIR AND SQUARE IN 2009 end of , to answer the origonal question i cant c it for the forseeable future , the first step in my opinion is to transport to one race together have a seperate result , members of both could dublicate into each race therefore uping the birdage so to speak .

[Guest IB]

there is a choice, one or the other, as thats what the split is all about, you give the members a vote to stay or go simple, it no good subsidizing the other as you are of the business minded as you stated the other day

 

IMO The time for being silly was at the time of the splits, and that is part of history. That is when choices were made, and those that didn't want to fly with SNFC left the club. Those that did stayed. In a time of falling membership (and damaging splits) in the sport it would be downright stupid to tell some of your membership they weren't wanted. Those that are not members can have no influence on club's finances. Those that are members do. Members = income. No income, no club. If SNRPC is subsidised, it's not SNFC members doing it.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Yes but the original vote that lead to this had a large majority vote in favour of the any union rule,but sadly not the 2/3Rd's that was required.Correct me if i am wrong Gareth but it was only something like 8 votes short of the 2/3Rd's Majority.For me the any union rule is the way forward in the short term,off course there is long term but can the sport in Scotland afford the long term.??????

Vincent you are correct about how close it was but the 2/3 rds rule was put in to stop mob rule,

[frank-123]

its the off season i see

[VMS]

Vincent you are correct about how close it was but the 2/3 rds rule was put in to stop mob rule,

 

Appreciate that Gareth but surly Mob rule equates to Majority rule which is Democracy after all.Regardless we will just have to live with what happens in the future years and enjoy channel racing in what ever concept it takes for the individuals who choose to compete.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

So Gareth do all members of NFC need to be affiliated to the RPRA and not just a memeber of any other board such as the WHU or are these organisations already akin to the NFC. This is a genuine question as I am pretty ignorant concerning the rules and regs and if they differ considerably between societys?

Yes Steven as you say to be a member of the NFC you have to have affiliation with the RPRA.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Appreciate that Gareth but surly Mob rule equates to Majority rule which is Democracy after all.Regardless we will just have to live with what happens in the future years and enjoy channel racing in what ever concept it takes for the individuals who choose to compete.

Yes it's the Majority of the percentage that turned up that day but worth noting that the SNRPC have 400 members and had 200 fanceirs there to vote that day and the SNFC with a membership of 1200 had a 120 vote, possibly it could be seen by some that the 2/3rds rule worked against mob rule.

 

Us young ones Vincent will just have to get on with it and hope that one day we will be flying under the one National banner. Atb

[dal2]

Yes it's the Majority of the percentage that turned up that day but worth noting that the SNRPC have 400 members and had 200 fanceirs there to vote that day and the SNFC with a membership of 1200 had a 120 vote, possibly it could be seen by some that the 2/3rds rule worked against mob rule.

 

Us young ones Vincent will just have to get on with it and hope that one day we will be flying under the one National banner. Atb

 

HEY HEY Hopefully an accord can be struck shortly and this can become so. Us young pups have the power!!! Lets tell the dinos wots wot. On that note will retreat tae bed ATB

[Delboy]

IMO. The two Nationals will never get back together as one.Too much bitterness from some members. What will happen is most of the SNRPC members will drift back to the SNFC over the next couple of years without telling anyone. Thats whats happening just now.

[Guest bigda]

IMO The time for being silly was at the time of the splits, and that is part of history. That is when choices were made, and those that didn't want to fly with SNFC left the club. Those that did stayed. In a time of falling membership (and damaging splits) in the sport it would be downright stupid to tell some of your membership they weren't wanted. Those that are not members can have no influence on club's finances. Those that are members do. Members = income. No income, no club. If SNRPC is subsidised, it's not SNFC members doing it.

 

 

well its certainly not the other way around there are about 80 or more from the snfc who pay £25 to the snrpc as subs

[geordie1234]

Why is thee so much negativity in this sport

[frank-123]

Why is thee so much negativity in this sport

 

because most fanciers are old and set in there ways

snfc/snrpc had a very serious split a few years back and some to this day still hold a very large grudge

says a lot for the sort of person they are

that they cant hold there hand out and say sorry about all that has happened in the past

[JohnQuinn]

In my opinion, in order to get a proper perspective on the issues that divide fanciers is to sort it at the AGM. In order to do it properly someone would have to propose at the AGM a postal vote be carried out from the members of the relevant organisations with questions being asked that need answers. imo this is the way to get the surest answer we could hope for.

So pens out and proposals in, its the MEMBERS who run clubs/feds/national clubs, the officials only follow orders. If a proposal of this nature (postal voting) infringes an existing rule then a proposal to alter or delete the existing rule would also have to be submitted. jmo's mind!!!

[sammy]

think the main issue here is being overlooked ,yi want the two nationals back together then dont look to them look to the SHU who for unknown to me have suspended certain members that can only fly in one national so why not get their bans lifted so as they can fly in one national its not rocket science is it or is it just that some members are that pig ignorant they wont allow the bans to be lifted ,so think about it and look at the real cause after all aas someone has already said WE ARE THE ,CLUB,FED,NAT,SHU

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

The SNFC programme next year should be Wanstead Flats,Reims,Tours,Arras and Peterborough.

Joint liberation may not be possible?(i don't know the technicalities involved with mimicking another organisations programme and liberating your birds at the exact same time )

Even if it wasn't after two or three seasons of this programme copying with two clubs flying into the exact same area and lorries driving the exact same routes you'd like to think common sense would provail

 

Alternatively everyone concerned(stubborn members,governing bodies,arch enemies)should just behave and reap the rewards financially and birdage wise.Hopefully restoring the prestige "national" racing into Scotland has held for over a century.

 

ONE NATION,ONE NATIONAL!!

[Henrik]

Alright for you guys who lost nothing in the split to say live and let live but what about us who lost everything and were left with nothing when our money transporter and identity were all stolen and taken to the RPRA with their blessing ?

[Guest bigda]

Alright for you guys who lost nothing in the split to say live and let live but what about us who lost everything and were left with nothing when our money transporter and identity were all stolen and taken to the RPRA with their blessing ?

 

 

oh sorry to here this henrik, have you never returned to the snfc since the split

[jocky]

Ther is only one True National in Scotland the SNFC. The other "national" was founded to allow 4 suspended members of the SHU somewhere to fly from .

HERE HERE.

[jocky]

The members of the SNFC in Jan 2009 did have a vote and decided to continue it's alengencies to the SHU and this was by quite a large majority, wether this is right or wrong I don't know but it's no different to members of the NFC having to be members of the RPRA.

THIS IS SCOTLAND WHAT ARE WE AS SCOTTISH FANCIERS TALKING ABOUT RPRA C.MON

[Henrik]

oh sorry to here this henrik, have you never returned to the snfc since the split

I have never left the SNFC or the SHU and never will,nor will I join the RPRA.