ETS & BOB WIRE POSITIONS

[billt]

 

As far as i'm aware WHPU the birds have to be confined in the loft which means they have to have gone through the wires.

I think its west country products, might be RV but they state on there adverts which trap meets WHPU rules.

 

You're right Phil, it's RVW that make a trap to suit WHPU rules, birds have to be inside bobs before activating pads

[BANDIT]

CLOCKING USING A STALL USUALLY MEANS CLOCKING OUTSIDE THE LOFT,WHEN PEOPLE GOT T3 S SOME FANCIERS WERENT HAPPY ,SOLUTION TO THEM GET YOURSELF A T3. SAME THINKING ON ETS AND WHERE THE PAD GOES,LET PEOPLE PUT IT WERE THEY WANT THEREFORE EVERYBODY HAS A CHOICE WHERE TO PUT THE PAD.IF FANCIERS ARE NOT HAPPY NOTHING TO STOP THEM GOING ON ETS MOVE WITH THE TIMES AND STOP MOANING.

[steve]

can the trap stick out the front of the loft or does it have to be inside the loft

like in the pics above

this is the trap  it is fixed to the front of loft

is this ok to be used in the nehu/unc

[Guest frank dooman]

CLOCKING USING A STALL USUALLY MEANS CLOCKING OUTSIDE THE LOFT,WHEN PEOPLE GOT T3 S SOME FANCIERS WERENT HAPPY ,SOLUTION TO THEM GET YOURSELF A T3. SAME THINKING ON ETS AND WHERE THE PAD GOES,LET PEOPLE PUT IT WERE THEY WANT THEREFORE EVERYBODY HAS A CHOICE WHERE TO PUT THE PAD.IF FANCIERS ARE NOT HAPPY NOTHING TO STOP THEM GOING ON ETS MOVE WITH THE TIMES AND STOP MOANING.

 

got to slightly dissagree the PAD should be inside the loft what happens after it times doesnt matter it must have been in the loft but if you could do as you say the pads could be on a roof now i think thats wrong

[chichichi]

that pic is of the RV woodcraft trap.. the pad is before the bobs in that one.. the landing board is outside the loft and the pad is before the bobs.. just like another I seen a few months ago in our fed..

 

the bobs only open to the open end.. they do not go inside over the pad..

 

ant

[chris h]

i think we should all go back to using rubbers.then theres no confusion  ;D  ;D  ;D

[Guest frank dooman]

i think we should all go back to using rubbers.then theres no confusion  ;D  ;D  ;D

 

AND NO MORE BABIES ;D ;D ;D

[steve]

so do i need to move the bob wires to the  front of the pad

for use in nehu/unc

[chris h]

 

AND NO MORE BABIES ;D ;D ;D

 

very true  ;D

[chichichi]

steve you will have to check nehu rules.. If you do need bobs before I would just add bobs to the front and leave the back bobs on..

 

best of luck

 

ant

[chris h]

i think we should have a season without ets and see how some of the top flyer's do using there old clocks and rubbers. Do you think they would still get the same results. just a thought.  

[chickadee]

We plan to use ETS and fit traps which will be a combination of this one for the pad

 

 

And this one like a home made sputnik

 

 

Surely if the trap is part of your loft then it is confined in your loft, can someone please tell me before they get made what the rule is in Scotland

[david.j]

so do i need to move the bob wires to the  front of the pad

for use in nehu/unc

 

i think you do need them at front steve

[jacksafc]

You dont need bobs at the front steve but the rv trap goes inside the loft, not on the front, the pads are then within the confines of the loft.

Only the landing board goes outside.

 

 

[Guest youngzimmy]

I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE UNIVERSAL THE PAD SHOULD BE INBOARD OF THE BOB WIRES  ANY OTHER THING WOULD BE UNACCEPABLE AS THE BIRD IS NOT TRAPPED

[steve]

the reason im asking is this trap was installed to a new loft that was ordered

they were told loft was gonna be used for ets trapping and the traps are  fixed to outside of loft on the sliding doors  

[Guest youngzimmy]

LOOKING AT THE PIC THE PAD WOULD BE OUTBOARD OF THE TRAPPING SYSTEM WHICH IS NOT AS IT SHOULD BE IT SHOULD BE INBOARD

[steve]

so why are they advertised as ets traps in the pigeon mags

if they are not

[Roland]

the reason im asking is this trap was installed to a new loft that was ordered

they were told loft was gonna be used for ets trapping and the traps are  fixed to outside of loft on the sliding doors  

 

It is within the confinesof the loft so legal. No good splitting hairs and spouting scenario's. Simple fact is, whether one likes it or not, for whatever advantage etc. there is no ruling that the Et must be inside the loft -

In Canada it has to be insid the UPRIGHT of the Loft. Again nothing to say the bird has to be contained.

Only way to get legistration as to what you want to believe is get the Regional RPRA - or whatever body to vote your way, then to get the Governing body to be out voted on this issus, and You have more chance peeing in the Queens ear from 50 yards in a head wind.

Just why does one think the RPRA for example gets emboied in this. Simple because whether one likes it or not, it is 'WITHIN' tyhe confines of the loft full stop. Not Confined, and the bird Definately NOT confined to the loft. Strueth can see have one can't understand that, when the ET brigade that fit the set up for one, the Builders that are informed as such, carry on merrily doing what the Ruling states, within the confines. Now if the lofts confines are a 50 yard radious, and the clock is placed upon an adjacent fence, then so be it, that is legal.... not saying that one puts it on top of the chimney etc. like used to be banded about.

 

con·fine (kn-fn)

v. con·fined, con·fin·ing, con·fines

v.tr.

1. To keep within bounds; restrict: Please confine your remarks to the issues at hand. See Synonyms at limit.

2. To shut or keep in, especially to imprison.

3. To restrict in movement: The sick child was confined to bed.

v.intr. Archaic

To border.

n. (knfn)

 

 

1. CONFINES

 

a. The limits of a space or area; the borders: within the confines of one county.

b. Restraining elements: wanted to escape the confines of corporate politics.

c. Purview; scope: a theory that is well within the confines of science.

2.

a. Archaic A restriction.

b. Obsolete A prison.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/confines

 

Think the first one A. shows the radious of Confines.

Think all - without looking them all up say the same.

 

 

[Guest youngzimmy]

ROLAND DO YOU GET THE FEELING YOU ARE BEING A BIT STUPID COMMON SENCE TELLS YOU THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE AND ALL THAT BLURB IS EXACTLY WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE A LOT OF BLURB KEEP IT SIMPLE USE YOUR COMMON SENCE

[Roland]

Did, simple Outside under the landing board is legal. Simple All the ET sellars say that that it is legal.

The spelling and wording make it simple... It is legal.

Why most flyers are doing it! Simple that too.

So where is there any doubt or lack of simplicity  :-/ :-/ :-/ Keep it simple. It is legal.

Further that is why no one has ever been pulled over the coals, because it's legal Simple reality is that many are trying to read it differently, Now that is simple lol Strueth give us strength lol  ;D ;D

[Roland]

(n.)1.a bounded scope"he stayed within the confines of the city"

 

 

Events that came to pass within the confines of Judea. --Locke.

[Guest youngzimmy]

SO YOU SEND A BIRD TO A NATIONAL RACE IT COMES BACK FIRST CLOCKS ON THE OUTBOARD PAD GETS A FRIGHT AND SITS ON THE HOUSE ROOF FOR EIGHT HOURS YOU DEEM YOURSELF TO HAVE WON THE RACE

[steve]

some use open doors on ets

so if bird goes in registers

and comes straight back out is this not the same

[Tony C]

The question of 'confines' was asked at the London Region which was in turn put before the RPRA rules committee for clarification. It come back along with an explanation printed in the Homing World that 'confines' meant that the pigeon had to be confined in the loft.

 

A few weeks later again printed in the Homing World we were told to disregard the new ruling............ for the time being.

 

Working from memory so a bit sketchy but that’s the general gist of it.