Ideal Snfc Race Programme

[Delboy]

dae you no like m6 m74

 

 

Aye Bob, I dont mind racing any route but BOP really is terrible down that route at moment. It would be fine if everybody down there could sort this route, if you know what I mean.

[Guest stb-]

Aye Bob, I dont mind racing any route but BOP really is terrible down that route at moment. It would be fine if everybody down there could sort this route, if you know what I mean.

aye fae charnock richards up m8

[dal2]

What was the problem wae the lib site at eastbourne? Have heard that a lib couldny take place because the site didny suit when the wind was strong. We had a race at weekend frae Ypres when the wind was strong so it canny be just strong winds that holds the libs. If there is a prob wae eastbourne site then it should be dropped. I would like tae see 1 inland nat frae newbury or the like and a yearling nat could easily be incorporated into that. Falaise,Rennes or Alencon,Niort or tours and I know fanciers still like a channel race from falaise or ypres after the gold cup. This is when we traditionally see yearlings being tested.

JMO

[Guest IB]

The last channel race could become a financial liability for SNFC as a number of 'Feds' have dropped it in favour of going to Ypres. The reason given for doing that was to shorten OB season by 2/3 weeks and maybe increase birdage (yearlings).

 

When Ypres was adopted, I thought it logical one of the inland Nationals should have been dropped as only about 50 miles difference between Eastbourne and Ypres - if Eastbourne was dropped, it could mean 5000 pigeons going to Ypres. From what folks say, that's the kind of birdage to channel races in the old days.

[bullcock]

I think the 1st race comes too quick and should be put back 1 week to the second week in june allowing an extra Fed race, so heres my tuppins worth.

 

Sat 11th June 1st Inland Nat(Bovingdon,This is a good race for setting up birds for the gold cup)

 

2 weeks later

 

Fri 24th June Gold cup race.

 

1 week later

 

Sat 2nd July 2nd Inland national (Eastbourne,This sets the birds up for the next races)

 

2 weeks later

 

Sat 16th july Ypres (or similar Distance)

 

1 week later

 

Fri 22nd July Longest Race

 

This program will keep the distance and Inland fans happy and would see a larger entry into the gold cup Race.

Whatever the program next year we will all be there thats for sure.

[Walter swanston]

Hey Pigeon Guy 147 .Give it a try become a top official see how you like it

[Guest bigda]

the first 4 things the Nat has to address is one the 4-30AM daylight and night hours

and the next is have a secondary race point to all races, should it be needed in case of high winds or fog, and the power to hold for 24-48 hours short notice, and in the event of late lib the north doos go up 1 hour, before the rest of the convoy

[Henrik]

the first 4 things the Nat has to address is one the 4-30AM daylight and night hours

and the next is have a secondary race point to all races, should it be needed in case of high winds or fog, and the power to hold for 24-48 hours short notice, and in the event of late lib the north doos go up 1 hour, before the rest of the convoy

Why should the North doos get a one hour start as the further North you go the longer it stays light.

[Guest bigda]

Why should the North doos get a one hour start as the further North you go the longer it stays light.

simple if you are never going to lib at 4-30 am as its to dark why expect the northern guys, to give you all a hours grace in the morning as there clock is still running on a 2 day race

[midnight_son]

I think the SNFC had the ideal program years ago and never realised how lucky we were. It was:-

 

Sartilly (2nd weekend June)

Rennes (last friday June)

Nantes (1st weekend July)

Sartilly (3rd weekend July)

 

For years this pattern worked perfectly well and it still would. Fashions have changed regarding racepoints, routes etc and you can substitute whichever preference you like for the racepoints but those dates were spot on to maximise the entries from the available pool of pigeons. The gap between the first and last channel race has to be long enough to allow the natural flyers the chance to get their birds down on chipping eggs/ babies again - 5 weeks is perfect. You can then recycle almost every bird that gets home from Sartilly 1 (or equivalent) into Sartilly 2 (or equivalent). That opens the door to things like Gold Awards and Dewar Trophys as you give so many more birds a chance to compete from France on more than one occasion.

 

The inland nationals have complicated life for everyone, the only useful purpose they serve is to make a profit for the club (not to be sniffed at of course, the money is handy). However, is it a false economy if it results in the frequently significant losses of pigeons that ensue ? If the guys lose a heap of yearlings at the inland race then not only will they hold back from sending to France that year but it has a knock on effect the following year as well. If we can afford financially to live without them then we should try it and see what happens.

 

How about 2 separate races from the coast, one for sections A,E and F (maybe D) and one for sections B, C and G (maybe D). The SNFC could do the organisation of the races and keep any profit but they wouldn't count for the averages. That would still allow the feds to get to the coast in joint convoy with the natinal but by having an east and west combine type of race we might get better returns which would filter through to the channel races in due course.

[Guest stb-]

I think the SNFC had the ideal program years ago and never realised how lucky we were. It was:-

 

Sartilly (2nd weekend June)

Rennes (last friday June)

Nantes (1st weekend July)

Sartilly (3rd weekend July)

 

For years this pattern worked perfectly well and it still would. Fashions have changed regarding racepoints, routes etc and you can substitute whichever preference you like for the racepoints but those dates were spot on to maximise the entries from the available pool of pigeons. The gap between the first and last channel race has to be long enough to allow the natural flyers the chance to get their birds down on chipping eggs/ babies again - 5 weeks is perfect. You can then recycle almost every bird that gets home from Sartilly 1 (or equivalent) into Sartilly 2 (or equivalent). That opens the door to things like Gold Awards and Dewar Trophys as you give so many more birds a chance to compete from France on more than one occasion.

 

The inland nationals have complicated life for everyone, the only useful purpose they serve is to make a profit for the club (not to be sniffed at of course, the money is handy). However, is it a false economy if it results in the frequently significant losses of pigeons that ensue ? If the guys lose a heap of yearlings at the inland race then not only will they hold back from sending to France that year but it has a knock on effect the following year as well. If we can afford financially to live without them then we should try it and see what happens.

 

How about 2 separate races from the coast, one for sections A,E and F (maybe D) and one for sections B, C and G (maybe D). The SNFC could do the organisation of the races and keep any profit but they wouldn't count for the averages. That would still allow the feds to get to the coast in joint convoy with the natinal but by having an east and west combine type of race we might get better returns which would filter through to the channel races in due course.

That programe was the best we have ever had, to much chopping and changing now , one inland nat would be more than enough

[Delboy]

Very good point re inland nats Jamie

[blaz]

I dont think it matters pigeons went to falaise rennes avranches for the first time in days gone by and managed it ok then and crossed at the widest stretch of water.

 

 

Gary i use to believe the same as you about the inland nationals being a stepping stone for new members sending to the channel races but going by the birdages that have been sent to the channel this has not happened.

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Too many eggs from all corners of Scotland are in the one basket when it comes to the inland nationals and when a poor/bad race is experienced by these fanciers then it has dire consequences for the birdages that are sent to the races that count, i.e. the Channel race's.

 

JMO

i don,t think as many yearling went to these races years ago.i think ypres is a good stepping stone for birds to fly over the channel the following year. well at least i hope so.

 

you will be right on that Gareth as i am new to national racing and don,t know to much about it,s history from previous year. that is one of the reasons i would not go to a meeting to vote for a certain race route. better to leave that to the more experienced members that said i would still like them to keep both inland national .to use to set birds up for further. hope to have birds to send one or two to the over 500 mile races next year with a bit of luck

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

Excellent points mate.. would love to see it set up like that..

[JADE]

I think the SNFC had the ideal program years ago and never realised how lucky we were. It was:-

 

Sartilly (2nd weekend June)

Rennes (last friday June)

Nantes (1st weekend July)

Sartilly (3rd weekend July)

 

For years this pattern worked perfectly well and it still would. Fashions have changed regarding racepoints, routes etc and you can substitute whichever preference you like for the racepoints but those dates were spot on to maximise the entries from the available pool of pigeons. The gap between the first and last channel race has to be long enough to allow the natural flyers the chance to get their birds down on chipping eggs/ babies again - 5 weeks is perfect. You can then recycle almost every bird that gets home from Sartilly 1 (or equivalent) into Sartilly 2 (or equivalent). That opens the door to things like Gold Awards and Dewar Trophys as you give so many more birds a chance to compete from France on more than one occasion.

 

The inland nationals have complicated life for everyone, the only useful purpose they serve is to make a profit for the club (not to be sniffed at of course, the money is handy). However, is it a false economy if it results in the frequently significant losses of pigeons that ensue ? If the guys lose a heap of yearlings at the inland race then not only will they hold back from sending to France that year but it has a knock on effect the following year as well. If we can afford financially to live without them then we should try it and see what happens.

 

How about 2 separate races from the coast, one for sections A,E and F (maybe D) and one for sections B, C and G (maybe D). The SNFC could do the organisation of the races and keep any profit but they wouldn't count for the averages. That would still allow the feds to get to the coast in joint convoy with the natinal but by having an east and west combine type of race we might get better returns which would filter through to the channel races in due course.

 

time you were on the committee jamie. you talk a lot of sense. in my opinion the way the committee is "elected" at the agm is a shambles.

[Delboy]

I agree Jade, the committee can comprise of a bunch of mates all voting for each other. The election process is very amateurish and should be addressed asap. I think, only the very best from each section should be appointed the great honour of being a SNFC Committee member. There are folk going on the committee now that dont know the tradition or history of the SNFC. Jamie is ideal for the SNFC Committee because he knows the tradition of the club and the way it should be moving forward. He has been brought up surrounded with top SNFC fliers and knows what is expected from the SNFC.

[lanarkshire lad]

i don,t think as many yearling went to these races years ago.i think ypres is a good stepping stone for birds to fly over the channel the following year. well at least i hope so.

 

you will be right on that Gareth as i am new to national racing and don,t know to much about it,s history from previous year. that is one of the reasons i would not go to a meeting to vote for a certain race route. better to leave that to the more experienced members that said i would still like them to keep both inland national .to use to set birds up for further. hope to have birds to send one or two to the over 500 mile races next year with a bit of luck

Who said anything about ylgs mate is eastbourne not far enough for ylgs?

[sj irving jnr]

I just wish the snfc would stick to the same programme insted of moving every year its crazy we flew rennes nantes and sartilly for years at the end of the day the wind has a lot to do with which area wins the nat,and as for the bop what happened at bovingdon. scrap inland nationals and have alencon tours and falaise and get back to long distance racing.

[dal2]

I just wish the snfc would stick to the same programme insted of moving every year its crazy we flew rennes nantes and sartilly for years at the end of the day the wind has a lot to do with which area wins the nat,and as for the bop what happened at bovingdon. scrap inland nationals and have alencon tours and falaise and get back to long distance racing.

 

Defo agree with the channel prog but still think that an inland nat frae somewhere might be beneficial for some fliers that set their stalls oot for it or maybe as an incorporated yearling thing. Money is always a consideration at this time and I think that a large birdage inland race wouldnt be a disaster as long as the timing was correct.

JMO Steven

[chrissyboy1]

Think the large birdage for the inland national help pay for the France races otherwise the club would quickly loss money,possible make the inland nationals,first and last old bird race.

[sj irving jnr]

well steven,i honestly think there will always be an inland nat now in the snfc,its a big money spinner,its just sad that there was more birds away to the snrpc inland nat and also the snfc ypres race i was brought up that the rennes and nantes races were the ones that everyone wanted to win

[dal2]

well steven,i honestly think there will always be an inland nat now in the snfc,its a big money spinner,its just sad that there was more birds away to the snrpc inland nat and also the snfc ypres race i was brought up that the rennes and nantes races were the ones that everyone wanted to win

 

I think your right that the inland nat will stay. I also fear that the current crop of race points frae the channel will remain!. Im like u and want to see a return to the more traditional sites in France but it will go with the majority i suppose(perhaps rightly). Somebody suggested a inland nat with the west feds on one side of a transporter and the east and north on the other wae a staggered lib time. Initially i dismissed it but after a bit of thought Im no say sure.

Awe the best Scottie

Cheers steven

[sj irving jnr]

your bang on steven,we will just have to get on with it mate.

 

all the best for the mora and everyone else that sent

 

scott

[Bluedoo]

I think your right that the inland nat will stay. I also fear that the current crop of race points frae the channel will remain!. Im like u and want to see a return to the more traditional sites in France but it will go with the majority i suppose(perhaps rightly). Somebody suggested a inland nat with the west feds on one side of a transporter and the east and north on the other wae a staggered lib time. Initially i dismissed it but after a bit of thought Im no say sure.

Awe the best Scottie

Cheers steven

You've obviously never seen a transporter with staggered lib times. Its not pretty, the birds that are left go mental. Try it yourself with a couple of baskets then multiply that by 50 or 60.

[Chris Little]

As already quoted

 

Sartilly 1

Rennes

Nantes

Sartilly 2

 

Can anyone pleae tell me why this programme was changed to the now current regime