Guest Gareth Rankin Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 its only 30 mins from the forth bridge and only 5 from fife turned up last agm. The turn out from region C last year was terible George seems like there has to be something controversial on the agenda for members to get of the backsides, I hear that there is a proposal on the agenda to make all the races from Norway in 2011 :lol: :lol: :P
clockman Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 The turn out from region C last year was terible George seems like there has to be something controversial on the agenda for members to get of the backsides, I hear that there is a proposal on the agenda to make all the races from Norway in 2011 :lol: :lol: :P ok for you its on your door step
bullcock Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 there luck we are over 3hrs What Dundee are you from 3 hrs ( 1 1/2 at best)
Taylorsloft Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 i think they should keep both inland races as a lot of fliers have sprint middle distance birds.it gives them a chance to race at national level. i don,t think dropping any of the races is a good idea .as we only send to the races we want to send to.also both inland races will give the S.N.F.C. more profit. it would be good to see them put it in to a better transporter what kind of transporter are they going in /is it a tattie lorry ?
JADE Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 What Dundee are you from 3 hrs ( 1 1/2 at best) he takes his bike
clockman Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 What Dundee are you from 3 hrs ( 1 1/2 at best) 1 1/2 + 1 1/2 = 3,
bullcock Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 What about this for a SNFC program1 1st week in June Inland race 2 weeks later 2 3rd week in June Ypres 2 weeks later 3 1st week in July Gold cup 1 week later 4 2nd week July Longest race 1 week later 5 3rd week July Clermont (or similar)
Delboy Posted July 22, 2010 Author Report Posted July 22, 2010 4 channel races again, I dont think the majority are wanting that m8.
rebel Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 we cant continue with the same amount of races next year suggest we drop an inland race and one of the latter 400 mile plus races
andy Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Suggest to do away with the first inland national, the federations can run their own race at the beginning of June, with joint convoying, financially viable.At present the Feds lose money due to this race being in the programme. First SNFC race Eastbourne, then the Kings Cup, then Ypres all on their same dates incorporating a yearling National, then Clermont 2 weeks after . If the FEW members who want a 650 mile race then it should be self financed as 240 birds is a joke to call a NATIONAL.
dal2 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 eastbourneAlenconToursfalaise incorporating a yearling race perhapsI think thats plenty for all
Rebus Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Suggest to do away with the first inland national, the federations can run their own race at the beginning of June, with joint convoying, financially viable.At present the Feds lose money due to this race being in the programme. First SNFC race Eastbourne, then the Kings Cup, then Ypres all on their same dates incorporating a yearling National, then Clermont 2 weeks after . If the FEW members who want a 650 mile race then it should be self financed as 240 birds is a joke to call a NATIONAL.First six Nationals from Rennes had entries from 176 to 440 birds and in 1920 Dr. Anderson won the race with a entry of only 203 birds and he is one of the most famous names in the history of the SNFC.
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Suggest to do away with the first inland national, the federations can run their own race at the beginning of June, with joint convoying, financially viable.At present the Feds lose money due to this race being in the programme. First SNFC race Eastbourne, then the Kings Cup, then Ypres all on their same dates incorporating a yearling National, then Clermont 2 weeks after . If the FEW members who want a 650 mile race then it should be self financed as 240 birds is a joke to call a NATIONAL. For me it's not about the money when it comes to the traditional 600 mile race from France its about the tradition and the history of this race since it started back 80 years ago, yes if need be shorten it to 600 or just below but you just can't toss the race aside as if it has of no importance in the SNFC. And if it requires me and others to organise a sale to fund the race then it is not a problem but all efforts should be made to save the two prestigous races of the SNFC callender i.e. the Gold cup and the longest race and i still believe that this can be done via spreading the races out and dropping Falaise along with the disposal of one of the inland races.JMO
lanarkshire lad Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 For me it's not about the money when it comes to the traditional 600 mile race from France its about the tradition and the history of this race since it started back 80 years ago, yes if need be shorten it to 600 or just below but you just can't toss the race aside as if it has of no importance in the SNFC. And if it requires me and others to organise a sale to fund the race then it is not a problem but all efforts should be made to save the two prestigous races of the SNFC callender i.e. the Gold cup and the longest race and i still believe that this can be done via spreading the races out and dropping Falaise along with the disposal of one of the inland races.JMOAgree with everything your saying gareth except for the dropping of falaise or clermont.I would like to see ypres dropped as i think its a poor substitute for a 500mls channel race and was intended as a commemoration race but seems to have stuck.
JohnQuinn Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 With the difficulty fanciers have keeping birds to 2/3/4yrs old these days it is inevitable some of the races will have to be reviewed. Personally i think this will end up affecting the channel races more than the inland races as fanciers in general are loathed to send yearlings across the water.I don't have any particular preferences as to the program other than what has been posted already, keep Gold Cup and Longest race, for the other races on the current program, the birds in fanciers lofts will eventually decide their fate. What i do think is there are too many races for fanciers to compete in them all. This devalues the Average winners as there are very few who participate in all the SNFC races at the moment, and there will be fewer still in the near future, due to the heavy losses at club and Fed level of birds who would end up going across the water. No matter what program is voted in, i for one will compete in as many as my loft allows me to and will continue to do so for as long as possible, but the losses will catch up with all of us, and competing in every Channel race will be a task even for the most established lofts. JMO's
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Agree with everything your saying gareth except for the dropping of falaise or clermont.I would like to see ypres dropped as i think its a poor substitute for a 500mls channel race and was intended as a commemoration race but seems to have stuck. I'm very much like you Jim about Falaise but Ypres or that distance is a very good taste of channel racing from France for new members and gives the full of Scotland a fair crack of the whip no matter which area you fly into without the fatigue and hours of darkness factors coming into play.
lanarkshire lad Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I'm very much like you Jim about Falaise but Ypres or that distance is a very good taste of channel racing from France for new members and gives the full of Scotland a fair crack of the whip no matter which area you fly into without the fatigue and hours of darkness factors coming into play.NEW members WHAT new members i dont see much new members coming into the game at all,when i started in the pigeon game there wisnae any stepping stone race to 500mls you sent them for the first time to either avranches or rennes and the furthest they had been before that was bournmouth& blanford forum which was 350mls to me and if they were good enough you got them, as for the fatigue factor pigeon racing has never been played on a level playing field and never will be.
Rebus Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I'm very much like you Jim about Falaise but Ypres or that distance is a very good taste of channel racing from France for new members and gives the full of Scotland a fair crack of the whip no matter which area you fly into without the fatigue and hours of darkness factors coming into play.To drop Falaise or Cleremont would be a backward step as some of the members would be flying less than 400 miles by replacing it with Ypres, is not because it would suit Lanarkshire Fed.that you want to keep Ypres?.
JADE Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 got to agree that ypres would be a poor substitute for clermont being less than 40 miles further than eastbourne to many members. if it was a choice between 460 and 540 i know what i would prefer. if members want ypres i think it should be included at the expense of one or both inland races. as was suggested earlier a race from eastbourne for the east side of the country would be a good idea. bring back the east of scotland amal.
bullcock Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I agree we have too many races at the moment and I would like to see federations taking control of races out to 300+ miles, but I think it would be hard to get the vote to drop them in the Nationals. The purpose of the inland races was to encourage new members and to prepare birds for the channel giving higher birdage across the water, but this has not happened the birdage is down and its been counter productive.The problem with the Inland Nationals is the high losses which are damaging the 500+ races. Taking things a bit further,as most feds in scotland are down around Leicester on the last sat in May I would like to see some co-operation throughout scotland and see all the West birds liberated together and the same for all the East birds,this could then be done from an agreed race point at around 350 miles, Then the National's can organise there own Program's
Rebus Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I agree we have too many races at the moment and I would like to see federations taking control of races out to 300+ miles, but I think it would be hard to get the vote to drop them in the Nationals. The purpose of the inland races was to encourage new members and to prepare birds for the channel giving higher birdage across the water, but this has not happened the birdage is down and its been counter productive.The problem with the Inland Nationals is the high losses which are damaging the 500+ races. Taking things a bit further,as most feds in scotland are down around Leicester on the last sat in May I would like to see some co-operation throughout scotland and see all the West birds liberated together and the same for all the East birds,this could then be done from an agreed race point at around 350 miles, Then the National's can organise there own Program'sNow your talking back to channel racing only for the National.
dal2 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Now your talking back to channel racing only for the National. Think the bank balance will be looked at closely before the scrappin of inland nats.
Guest Davy Fleming Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I don't go to them but have always been in the frame of mind that ALL nationals should be abroad and none from this side of the water with possibly Ypres being theeeeee big one for the Federations and if you want to go to the really big ones join the National (Only my thoughts)
Taylorsloft Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 it would not be such a problem if feds put the inland nationals in there program like ABERDEEN fed / i used to fly 4 snfc races and the whole fed program now ive got 2 races less
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