SNFC 2010 programme

[EMMAJANE]

What about pulling the youngbird national forward 1 week, keep at existing distance and then have a second youngbird National a ortnight later from Wansted flats. I appreciate the birdage would not be massive as people would not empty their Huts, however I'm sure you would get a decent entry from members who want to test their youngsters at a greater distance.

[budgie]

Derek

5th  June   Newbury (321mls)

19th June  Eastbourne (388mls)

25th June   Alencon  (540mls)

3rd  July     Ypres & Andrezel (441mls & 580mls)

10th July    Lille (458mls)

5th Sept     Peterborough (ybn) 260mls)

Its the only wae tae test the 98% Sh-te Rule and cut down on your feeding bill.

Good luck with your proposals and lets hope common sense prevails and Lanarkshire can support the Greatest Club in The Land for another year.

Budgie

[frank-123]

Derek

5th  June   Newbury (321mls)

19th June  Eastbourne (388mls)

25th June   Alencon  (540mls)

3rd  July     Ypres & Andrezel (441mls & 580mls)

10th July    Lille (458mls)

5th Sept     Peterborough (ybn) 260mls)

Its the only wae tae test the 98% Sh-te Rule and cut down on your feeding bill.

Good luck with your proposals and lets hope common sense prevails and Lanarkshire can support the Greatest Club in The Land for another year.

Budgie

 

not much scope for doubling your birds back into races too many races in a short period  

ok for the big team man

[slinky slitheroe]

 

not much scope for doubling your birds back into races too many races in a short period  

ok for the big team man

Correct.

 

 

[Guest WINGS 04]

 

not much scope for doubling your birds back into races too many races in a short period  

ok for the big team man

 

i think you are wrong frank you could put the birds from the 1st race to the 3rd race then the birds out the 2nd race to the 4th or 5th race then you cold go back with birds from the 3rd or 4th races to the last if you think they are up to it

[slinky slitheroe]

 

i think you are wrong frank you could put the birds from the 1st race to the 3rd race then the birds out the 2nd race to the 4th or 5th race then you cold go back with birds from the 3rd or 4th races to the last if you think they are up to it

You might no have any left by then.Its easy on paper.

 

 

[alec guinness]

Derek

5th  June   Newbury (321mls)

19th June  Eastbourne (388mls)

25th June   Alencon  (540mls)

3rd  July     Ypres & Andrezel (441mls & 580mls)

10th July    Lille (458mls)

5th Sept     Peterborough (ybn) 260mls)

Its the only wae tae test the 98% Sh-te Rule and cut down on your feeding bill.

Good luck with your proposals and lets hope common sense prevails and Lanarkshire can support the Greatest Club in The Land for another year.

Budgie

 

dont see much wrong with budgies programme,wanstead flats libs have tended to be late libs if you check the stats!!!!!!!!!

something a wee bit more radical and also imo  fairer, 2 YOUNG BIRD NATIONAL LIBERATIONS, SECTIONS BCG one LIBERATION AND SECTIONS ADEF the other,before you say no think about this race in its present form and also the geography most will agree a total non event for half of the members who enter birds. food for thought.

 

[chrissyboy]

I think that is a good point John seperate liberation for young bird national may help the birds

[Guest bigda]

a wee tip for you all  just go with what  the lanarkshire proposed, as i am sure the delegates  will guide you there  in the end  ;D

[walterbmasson]

 

 

ALEC GUINNESS GOOD POST GETS MORE TO THE POINT OF FAIRNESS AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AT BY SNFC AT AGM

[Delboy]

I think that is a good point John seperate liberation for young bird national may help the birds

 

This is an idea that I have put to a few people for several years now .Sections B, C, D, G and A, E, F ,you never know, someone might put it in as a proposal. Lets get back to the race programme folks.

[alec guinness]

I think that is a good point John seperate liberation for young bird national may help the birds

 

tom the past 10 years have been terrible for fanciers not racing to the east of the country, even lately the solway has struggled at the young bird national,(yes 1 great bird this year)but to continue with the present format i only see fanciers not going to the ybn,i have given this a lot of thought and i am aware that there will be no sympathy from the fanciers who have 20 birds at the young bird national and are all home and locked up while we stand hours later for a time in.i have no problems with the old bird programme and will take my medicine,but the ybn needs rejigging ie 2 liberations. :)jmo.

[slinky slitheroe]

 

dont see much wrong with budgies programme,wanstead flats libs have tended to be late libs if you check the stats!!!!!!!!!

something a wee bit more radical and also imo  fairer, 2 YOUNG BIRD NATIONAL LIBERATIONS, SECTIONS BCG one LIBERATION AND SECTIONS ADEF the other,before you say no think about this race in its present form and also the geography most will agree a total non event for half of the members who enter birds. food for thought.

Dont you think with the small convoy from a e and f the pigeons would come up throu cumbria right among the bandits.I think it would be a total disaster jmo.

 

 

[alec guinness]

Dont you think with the small convoy from a e and f the pigeons would come up throu cumbria right among the bandits.I think it would be a total disaster jmo.

 

 

no too sure,but i did include SECTION D   :-/

[budgie]

any whare as long as whe take the lanarkshire boys with us will do me  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thomas the Great. What makes you think that we wont be allowed ,Surely it cant be the drag and the performances now being acheived since we started duplicating and sending larger numbers as the EAST

 

 

[slinky slitheroe]

 

no too sure,but i did include SECTION D   :-/

Dont mean to sound a smart ass but i thought you midland guys would have learned a lesson racing down that route with a small convoy the amount of bad races you guys have had is unbelievable is that not part of reason why yous are now with other organisations.

 

 

[alec guinness]

Dont mean to sound a smart ass but i thought you midland guys would have learned a lesson racing down that route with a small convoy the amount of bad races you guys have had is unbelievable is that not part of reason why yous are now with other organisations.

 

 

not a midland guy and happy with leicester,just think we should change the format for the ybn. :-/

[Guest IB]

I think with rising costs, we may have to look closer at the format for choosing a race programme. It occurred to me (too late) during last AGM that picking racepoints by name hog-ties the committee and prevents them looking at other cheaper ways of getting the birds to racepoints.

 

Stipulate only mileages (say into Central Scotland) and number of races you want the club to provide, say 1 x 300+, 1x 400+ [Ypres International] 1 x 500+ 1 x 600+ & 1 x 700+, and let the committee decide where we are going and with whom.  Try and get a good spread 1st to last race, with 1 race per weekend.

[WulDon]

I think that is a good point John seperate liberation for young bird national may help the birds

 

maybe i'm missing something here, but two seperate libs would then mean NO open result???

[WulDon]

i think Ypres as suggested is an excellent racepoint for giving yearlings there first taste of the channel, even for some 2yo that have been nursed down to approx 300-350 miles as yearlings.

 

thought has to go into the education of future channel pigeons, as it stands birdages certainly wont rise... the days of racepoints touching on 700 miles are surely finished, how many lofts honestly have pigeons that can go to these races, hence the extremely poor birdage.

 

the NFC can cater for the extreme distance enthusiast, and it can be done as Les McKay proved this year... just my thots.

[Guest rene]

can any 1 tell me why the scotish don't race from Guernsey any more im the Guernsey liberator and just wondering as many years ago this was a very good race point for the scotish lads   :)

[Delboy]

can any 1 tell me why the scotish don't race from Guernsey any more im the Guernsey liberator and just wondering as many years ago this was a very good race point for the scotish lads   :)

 

That was many years ago m8 but I do agree, they were very successful races. Dont know the reason for us not going there.Food for thought

[Guest bigda]

I would like the views of some of the SNFC members regarding the race programme for 2010. The SNFC committee are having a meeting soon to discuss recommendations for 2010.

 

Regards,

Derek Hay

  glad you brought it up  lanarkshire has  got a  objection in  pending,  i have heared the lanarkshire    this year want  to be the  dog   wagging the tail, rather than  the tail  wagging the  dog,  bigda  bringing  this to you, be aware of delegates pushing for the  lanarkshire  fed  race points ,   :X

 

 

[ALF]

  glad you brought it up  lanarkshire has  got a  objection in  pending,  i have heared the lanarkshire    this year want  to be the  dog   wagging the tail, rather than  the tail  wagging the  dog,  bigda  bringing  this to you, be aware of delegates pushing for the  lanarkshire  fed  race points ,   :X

 

 

fROM WHAT I TOOK AT THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY YOU HAVE GOT IT THE WRONG WAY ROUND ;D ;D

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Not a member and only a new start, but from an organisation point of view with regards to costs, etc, I think IB's point has a lot of merit.  It doesn't tie the organisers to set places and gives them freedom to organise cost effectively.  The success of this suggestion depends on the trust the members have in the organisers.  WulDon also makes a good point regarding the extreme distance, however, getting the birds to a NFC marking station is a major problem, so this would have to be organised through our National club to allow marking locally and transportation to the NFC for forward transit.  IB's proposal allows room for Rene's request.

The question is:- Does the membership have faith in their committee to do the best for the organisation, whilst fulfilling the needs of its members by providing them with Inland, short Channel and longer distance Channel races to allow fair competition and progressive training / experience building at a National level?