turn down for club membership for not having ETS!

[vanlink]

I understand that people may have been unable to use ETS within a club due to the lack of capable officials to operate such systems. Without mentioning the individual or the club involved what are your views on someone being refused membership of a club due to them not having ETS?

The potential member was turned down for membership because it was stated that this was an ETS only club. The potential member was not asked if he had ETS but it was assumed that he did not and he was not even informed that he could join but he would need ETS. He was merely told that this was an ETS only club and there was no one to set his manual clock and so he had been refused. Is this allowed under RPRA rules?

 

On a slightly side issue, I have read it myself many times on here people being refused membership of a club for no reason other than the person might be in a position to win some races either due to previous form or assumed favourable graphical location. It appears that our RPRA council either lacks the (group of male cows) or ability to deal with this one sad aspect of our sport so should we just name and shame these clubs and ask them to defend their unsportsmanlike attitude?

 

I have attended the Club above and narrowly seen some one get in due to their assumed favourable graphical location and in the same meeting seen some one else get in easily due to their assumed no chance unfavourable graphical location. Luckily there are some very good sports people in the said club who managed to convince others on that occasion that it would be wrong to deny some one because they may win. Unfortunately it does not seem as though they were successful on this recent occasion but perhaps like me they were not in attendance. It is a dilemma on whether clubs should be named and shamed because I know there are some real genuine fanciers within that club and should they be penalised because of a few selfish ones who would like to have the egg glued to the spoon for the race and convince you and the world that they are awesome.

 

[Guest stb-]

no one can stop you using a clock end of

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Would suggest that there is much more to it than a clock. That's not why he was refused as there are obviously other issues involved , whatever they may be.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I dont think that there is a ruling to say you have to let anyone in your club or to give them a reason why their application was turned down,at the end of the day it is up to the membership weather they feel someone is suitable to join or not.

[dal2]

I dont think that there is a ruling to say you have to let anyone in your club or to give them a reason why their application was turned down,at the end of the day it is up to the membership weather they feel someone is suitable to join or not.

 

 

As a thirty seven year old fancier i will not have to worry much about the birds for my retirement because wae this kind of attitude most other fanciers will be deed and new fanciers not encouraged there will be next to naebody tae fly against. Use wot ever clock you got as long as its passed, better fliers will make YOU fly better and geographical situation will give you an advantage at short stuff but the longer you go the more even the pitch. Cheers Steven

 

 

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

Ban the ETS and see how thet losing  like. Up the ETS brigade manual clock all the way!!!!

[clyde]

Ban the ETS and see how thet losing twats like. Up the ETS brigade manual clock all the way!!!!

 

ur nuts ban ets why ?

[pjc]

Lets hear both sides of the story!

[Roland]

no one can stop you using a clock end of

 

Simple reality is No club has to accept any fancier as a member for any reason they choose.

They vote and that is end of.

So if that is how they want to run their ship, then so be it I guess. Nowt one can do, but accept.

[Ian McKay]

Why did you not go to the club meeting and vote for this person to get in :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[THE FIFER]

they cant stop you using any clock which has been passed by your union, the problem this person has is they are are not a member of the club and been refused membership, if you have it in writing regarding the ets i would forward it on to the union the club comes under,

[JADE]

Ban the ETS and see how thet losing twats like. Up the ETS brigade manual clock all the way!!!!

 

good to see someone being constructive!!! with opinions like you the sport will be dead in no time.

as for the original post i agree with davy there must be some other reason and they have just used ets as an excuse

[walterbmasson]

 

Simple reality is No club has to accept any fancier as a member for any reason they choose.

They vote and that is end of.

So if that is how they want to run their ship, then so be it I guess. Nowt one can do, but accept.

                                                                                                                                                         it would be a different nstory if they in club only wanted 1 member to get there own birds away (  a bunch o bairns take a look in mirror )

 

[DJWa]

they cant stop you using any clock which has been passed by your union, the problem this person has is they are are not a member of the club and been refused membership, if you have it in writing regarding the ets i would forward it on to the union the club comes under,

 

the problem is that they can refuse to set a manual or an ETS depending on which system the club uses

if its an ETS club with a ETS clocksetter its up to him/her if they are willing or able to set a different system

 

likewise a club with manual clocks all they have to say is they dont know how to set the ETS

and are not willing to learn

and there is nothing you can do about it as you cant force someone to do

something they dont want to do

 

[showman]

I think Fifer has it right, if the club would give it to your mate in writing the reason why he was turned down, that should be taken to the relevant Union. The club in question, if the allegation is correct, would also be guilty of discrimination, altogether a different kettle of fish. Your mate could put forward the argument he simply cannot afford ETS, and has been discriminated against. OMO.

[pjc]

wonder if they had a grant to get all there ets's?

[THE FIFER]

 

the problem is that they can refuse to set a manual or an ETS depending on which system the club uses

if its an ETS club with a ETS clocksetter its up to him/her if they are willing or able to set a different system

 

likewise a club with manual clocks all they have to say is they dont know how to set the ETS

and are not willing to learn

and there is nothing you can do about it as you cant force someone to do

something they dont want to do

 

never heard of a club not being able to set manual clocks, maybe an excuse with new ets, but surely they set manual ones before ets,

[DJWa]

 

never heard of a club not being able to set manual clocks, maybe an excuse with new ets, but surely they set manual ones before ets,

 

yes your correct fifer clocksetters should be able to set them

but that may not be the case in the future with most on ETS

[vanlink]

On your Orginal comment van link - Has this 'ETS Club' obtained any lottery granting?

 

 

No lottery, all bought them selves.

 

 

 

Why did you not go to the club meeting and vote for this person to get in        

 

 

 

I resigned from the club at the agm. I just want to fly national/internationals and i do not have time to race club as well or else i would have done my best to influence.

 

 

 

Simple reality is No club has to accept any fancier as a member for any reason they choose.

They vote and that is end of.

So if that is how they want to run their ship, then so be it I guess. Nowt one can do, but accept.

 

Yes this is kind of true even if i personally think it is wrong BUT they stated in the letter that it was because of ETS so if this is against the rules then it is difficult to deny that they have not brocken them.

 

never heard of a club not being able to set manual clocks, maybe an excuse with new ets, but surely they set manual ones before ets,

 

they can set clocks (FACT) or at least they could last year unless they have forgotten over the winter time. As far as i know the last member to switch from maual to ets happend this winter. I suspect that the real reason might be because the member trying to join has won two nationals.

 

It is stated in a letter so we will find out from the region on monday.

 

[carl]

cant refuse them entry on not having an ets system,,,,,can refuse to not set the persons clock due to not having the officials to do the jobs,,i got refused using ets in my club as i was the 1st and only one with it and the officials didnt want to know, so i couldnt use it...but cant refuse entry to join club on the basis,,,defo not,,take it to the union only way

[vanlink]

I joined the local tri club. There was no private vote. I just downloaded an application form from the internet, filled it in and took it with my money to the secretaries house. He then informed other members that there was a new member. I received some emails welcoming me and inviting me to training times and venues.  He or anybody else did not ask where I lived, if I had won any races in the past, if I was a trouble maker or in default at an other club. They did not ask how much my bike cost either. The pigeon sport has real issues which do not seem to be coming to an end. Will advice to check with rpra.

[Guest stb-]

Ban the ETS and see how thet losing twats like. Up the ETS brigade manual clock all the way!!!!

 

A mr no sence of humour is back as mr insanity now  :-/ :-/ :o

[demolition man]

I think Fifer has it right, if the club would give it to your mate in writing the reason why he was turned down, that should be taken to the relevant Union. The club in question, if the allegation is correct, would also be guilty of discrimination, altogether a different kettle of fish. Your mate could put forward the argument he simply cannot afford ETS, and has been discriminated against. OMO.

 

Don't disagree with anything you said but if no one wants to set the clock what can be done?

 

 

[Guest spin cycle]

i think there may be some clubs who specify the clock in their name...eg 'anytown T3 club'. watching the rpra regional minutes several applications for a change of name failed at first ...but i think some may have been passed later. the point of my rambling is...that if this club is called 'anytown ets rpc' then they have some defense if the applicant specifies that they want to manually clock. even so if the applicant expresses a willingness to buy ets the grounds for rejection would disapear

[Delboy]

 

Simple reality is No club has to accept any fancier as a member for any reason they choose.

They vote and that is end of.

So if that is how they want to run their ship, then so be it I guess. Nowt one can do, but accept.

 

The facts of the matter is the racing pigeon sport is run by morons. They have no vision for the future and couldnt give a toss whether the sport crumbles . We are all responsible for the sports decline, not encouraging new members etc. Roland, your statement  is sadly true but if some folk maintain this attitude to new members then I fear the worst for our credibility as a SPORT. The word DISCRIMINATION  comes to mind > >