why maize

[wilkins]

why do most widowhood mixtures contain such a high % of maize, and not dari,rice, barley many mixtures seem to have 50-60% of maize yet the carbohydrates in maize are not much more than the other grains mentioned , is it for the higher fat content that maize has? could a no maize high carb mix work with the addition of fats seeds as the distance increases, any advice of thoughts on  the high use of maize would be good to read,

could a light diet mix (barley,wheat,rice dari,with say 30-50% energy plus be used in the mix from wednesday onwards work the same as maize, then that way fat would only be added when required ,  some peas could be added on sunday and monday after a hard fly to increase the protein

[greenlands]

I don't race a big team of pigeons  and when sending over the water I would be sending one or maybe two.I have flew reasonably well in my opinion but never excelled like some fanciers in this area that take distance racing serious, as I say flying a small team most birds go to most races and are not put aside for the special one.Won the club and been well up on fed and combine sheets racing the Gerry + system that's upto Messac at 480 + miles.

I would also like some of the top distance men on here to put a good reply to your question.

Lindsay

[Guest gladdo]

im mot sure but i know someone that fed his birds barley for two weeks only barley and he won a race,,,,,mikey....

[greenlands]

im mot sure but i know someone that fed his birds barley for two weeks only barley and he won a race,,,,,mikey....

One of the best Fanciers I knew said to me years ago" the first two handfull is barley be it for the shortens or the longens"

 

 

[Guest cloudview]

could be down to harvesting , growing etc maybe its  cheaper to market  and has a wider range of use,s  generally.

as for the alternatives cant see why there should be much difference .

[Guest ENDFLIGHT]

maize is the main source of glucose,so this may be the reason the pigeons vary their intake of maize at different times.having been involved in the making of boiled sweets ,apart from sugar a lot of boiled sweets contain a very high percentage of glucose syrup,which comes from maize.i may not know much about racing pigeons,but i certainly could make good sweets jmocheers wee billy p.s.don,t forget your blackpool rock 60%glucose syrup :) :)honest

[Guest Owen]

I think you have to have both best barley and dog tooth maize to get the best from widowhood cocks. I do not like brown skinned corn.

Geri plus is a great corn to biuld them up for a big effort.

[Guest IB]

I'm going to be buying in maize as a single, and I'd be interested in knowing more about the different types of maize I see advertised: e.g. Popcorn, French, Plate, etc. Which type (s) do you buy and why?

[Guest Owen]

I have tried various types of maize but the one I like best is the big dog tooth variety.

[adam owen]

american maize is the best maize for longer races add this to feed

[Ulsterman]

maize is the main source of glucose,so this may be the reason the pigeons vary their intake of maize at different times.having been involved in the making of boiled sweets ,apart from sugar a lot of boiled sweets contain a very high percentage of glucose syrup,which comes from maize.i may not know much about racing pigeons,but i certainly could make good sweets jmocheers wee billy p.s.don,t forget your blackpool rock 60%glucose syrup :) :)honest

 

i used to work for a boiled sweet maker as well,in the 60/70s, two parts sugar,two parts pure glucose plus water, plus the wee drop of colour and flavouring.

[Tony C]

If you feed them too much small stuff from the off their appetite diminishes the further into the season they go, they become picky. You can switch from maize to small stuff later in the season but vice-versa you'd be hard pushed to get them to eat a decent feed containing maize.

[Guest bigda]

maize is the main source of glucose,so this may be the reason the pigeons vary their intake of maize at different times.having been involved in the making of boiled sweets ,apart from sugar a lot of boiled sweets contain a very high percentage of glucose syrup,which comes from maize.i may not know much about racing pigeons,but i certainly could make good sweets jmocheers wee billy p.s.don,t forget your blackpool rock 60%glucose syrup :) :)honest

 

ah   but are you no a bit of a ;D oddfella yer self  bill

[hepste]

The dog tooth maize is best.  The best part of the grain is the white bit in the middle.  If you see any eaten by mice, they take this part, and leave the yellow outer.

[Roland]

Maize now is to keep the bird warm.

[Guest spin cycle]

i'm sure people use maize very succsessfully, but i can't get the 'knack'...when i have fed it the birds tend to  'run' fat and won't excersize .

[walterbmasson]

 

I FEEL WHEN A BIRD IS IN FORM ALL IT WANTS IS MAZE LEAVE MOST SEEDS PROTEIN % 9 FATS 3,7 SUGARS AND STARCH 67.5 FIBRE1.9 ASH 1.2 BARLY WHEAT MILO RICE BUCK WHEAT AND MILLET ARE ON SAME LEVELS  PEAS BEANS TARES PROTENS IN THE 20 % FATSIN THE1 TO 1.5%SUGARS AND STARCH44%TO 46% FIBRE4%TO 7%TO  ASH  3.5% SEEDS RICH IN FATS LINSEED 20.5%  PROTENE  FATS 30%FIBRE 7% ASH 5.5% SUNFLOWER PROTEN14.5%FATS29.5%SUGARS AND STARCH  2.5% FIBRE 27 % ASH 3% BLACK RAPE PROTENE 20% FATS 42%SUGARS AND STARCH 5% FIBRE 7.5% ASH 4.5%HEMP SEED 19.5%       FATS 32% SUGARS AND STARCH 4% FIBRE 17% ASH 4.5%           DRY BEER YEAST HAS THE MOST PROTENS  45%    MAIZE IS EXCELLENT FOR MIDDLE DISTANCE ALSO GIVES THE BIRD A NICE PINK FLESH

[Guest frank dooman]

another great thread 4/5 years ago we tried to get our nat to change from the old way of feeding in the nat baskets hotrod & john duthie went out there way to explain the different feeds and the pluses of them at the end of the day the old fanciers would not except the feeding reason was they were too small to be fed in the basket watched a video last night the same ques asked to the vet should we feed large maize in the basket ans, yes the video was Victory with the vet all the belg/holland & germany do it so why not us and by the way most of the commity that went against us actualy feed that mix in there lofts just the usual pigeon man thinking we  cant change that we have dont it for a hundred years!!!!!!

[Novice]

another great thread 4/5 years ago we tried to get our nat to change from the old way of feeding in the nat baskets hotrod & john duthie went out there way to explain the different feeds and the pluses of them at the end of the day the old fanciers would not except the feeding reason was they were too small to be fed in the basket watched a video last night the same ques asked to the vet should we feed large maize in the basket ans, yes the video was Victory with the vet all the belg/holland & germany do it so why not us and by the way most of the commity that went against us actualy feed that mix in there lofts just the usual pigeon man thinking we  cant change that we have dont it for a hundred years!!!!!!

 

Frank----absolutely spot on

The continentals have been doing this for years

 

 

[BLACK W F]

walter/frank  i used to get maize the big plate and dog tooth  it was dusty but iwas the flower off the maize i wished i could get the same now it was quality  as i used to mix my own feeds   and cheep pity that place closed down

[walterbmasson]

walter/frank  i used to get maize the big plate and dog tooth  it was dusty but iwas the flower off the maize i wished i could get the same now it was quality  as i used to mix my own feeds   and cheep pity that place closed down

 

ALAN OUR WHOLE CLUB IN THE OLD DAYS WENT TO A LOCAL ITALIAN PIG FARMER AND GOT GOOD MAIZE ITS A MUST WITH ME YET I ALWAYS ADD MAPLES WHEN WE GO TO 360 MILES BEFORE FRANCE 3/4 MAPLES

[Guest youngzimmy]

SINQUINTINA MAIZE DONT KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT SPELLING WAS USED BY MANY FANCIERS WAY BACK YEARS AGO AND IS NOW AVAILABLE MANY FLIERS SWORE BY THE STUFF COMES FROM ARGENTINA WELL WORTH A TRY

[Guest frank dooman]

walter/frank  i used to get maize the big plate and dog tooth  it was dusty but iwas the flower off the maize i wished i could get the same now it was quality  as i used to mix my own feeds   and cheep pity that place closed down

 

if you find it again give me a bell ;) petrol!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest frank dooman]

SINQUINTINA MAIZE DONT KNOW IF THAT IS THE RIGHT SPELLING WAS USED BY MANY FANCIERS WAY BACK YEARS AGO AND IS NOW AVAILABLE MANY FLIERS SWORE BY THE STUFF COMES FROM ARGENTINA WELL WORTH A TRY

 

where do you get it??

[Guest stb-]

 

where do you get it??

ARGENTINA :P ;D ;D :X