John, I am a relative new start, starting around 11 years ago, but at that time I watched this and other sites. I made a decision then that I would not race Young Birds. The thoughts at that time were that peregrines were killing for fun, to teach their YB's how to hunt. We were racing our Young Birds at the height of raptor activity. It seemed stupid to me to race my Young Birds, thus my decision. I have heard it stated that distance racing is a game of patience, but it seems we have none. Un-raced Young Birds need a bit of patience. They can be trained during October and November. Admittedly, shorter days, failing light and colder weather would mean shorter distances, but we are training to improve and hone their mental fitness, physical fitness can be gained around the loft. I don't think it would have a major effect on the raptor population, but it may have some effect. Highlighted text says it in a nutshell. I don't think the Unions will ban it, it is not part of their remit. I don't even know whether Federations would put it to a vote, unless it came as a proposal to them. It is time for us to do it off our own back. Perhaps some trialists could be raced just to see if they merited a place in our lofts.