Roland

I hope the minutes will have who proposed and seconded on ALL the proceedural practises. It has to be recorded. So the Reginal RPRA will want to see the proof thereof af them too! I'd take them all the way... then Tell them that you wish to change your Full Flying membership to a non flying Honary member. No you don't have to resign and then be voted in again as a memeber - Old wifes tales, been to dozen of RPRA meeting when that gets chucked straight out! Why, because you are a member so all you are doing is changing the status. Then if half way through the season you decide o fly again - will have to pay the extra - all you need do is PHONE the sec and TELL HIM!

If you pay again they will say that that is a sign of your guilt.

Ask the RPRA if they paid your RPRA FEES through... probably you didn't I'm a guessing. So the first thing you do is put an appeal into the RPRA. OK it's obvious that you should pay all fees due, or you are a defaulter. BUT that isn't the case if A. they haven't informed you, both verbally and then TWICE by post or post but HAND in front of witnesses. So you can't be classed as a defaulter! They can NOIT BANN you without written reasons why and you have been given time to reply. So no mucker they can't make rules up to suit and as they haven't obviously, been in touch PRIOR to the first race, because you would not be allowed to fly a pigeon ANYWHERE if you owe subs and are a defaulter. So no you aren't banned, and I have no doubt whatsoever the regional RPRA will uphold your appeal. Go for it... if you don't they may spread a fickle net to entwine the flipping Rat's tail! THEY have to go through the procedures matey and that is both verbal and written and each step has to be decided by the MEMBERS who can vote to instruct the Sec to take action. So no you aren’t banned and are entitled to an apology to boot.

Sorry I'll write slower next time, as I forgot you aint a fast resader 'Me'... not by any stretch of the imagination. Take note of comma's and full stops 'me' and atry there's a good laddie lol

Yep Birdman, breed more every year to counteract the losses. Time, I believe, that you and countless others stood back and had a good look at ypourselves, and think why this is so. Outside of 'Flyaway, I think 30 is more than enough to fly both routes and have too many at seasons end. Probably you are into incest regards the breeding of your pigeons, prehaps it's just a couple or even one line only that produces anything any good and the rest are 'Junk' as you say... and if your losses are high, then like many others, I'm afrraid you hit the nail on the head 'Junk'! Look at the Opposition. If, like our fed, it is the smal team flyer excelling year in and year out. Bet yours is got a fair % of them too. Enough which ever way thouh and what you are prepared to accept. Your money, time and ezpense so no need for others to poke a nose it I guess.

Well, when does realise that a cup can only hold amounts till Brimful! Will never ever hold more and that's a simple fact.Likewise pigeons. Then a simple realisation that any and all excess is discarded. Which should lead to the reality that any and everything in moderation. That what is not needed is irrelevant. That it is a science to take away and replace, especially to improve and not do any damamge. A pigeon is pefect for what it is and does. Feeds of even fish and chips means that ferals are ofeten in first class condition. The natural feed has to be the best. Bison, rhino's elelphants etc. grow real powerful on grass and twigs etc. Likewise Whales etc. on Plankton. When are we going to feed fish algae to our birds. Why isn't grass etc. good for the birds! Rabbit pellest etc. are supposedly brill... When the Enzines can take care of it!

These Clocks have no moving parts ... and there fore very little if any maintaince needed. I'd wager now - as then that if the affluent, money makers, had a reason or cause to have their ---- besides an advantage - they would be in every loft today. That I believe is nigh a certainty. But Money would have been lost ... by other concerns.

Remember well the 'Solar Clock' and the hassle trying to introduce them. Was good enough for 'Space' etc. whee it was put into place with great effect. Guaranteed not to lose of gain a second PER YEAR! Cost *! about a 1/5th of the new ones - last tried in 1986 to be put into use. Less than a decent second hand one! It was thrown out each time ... I was at the meeting the East Midlands meeting the last time I recall it not being entertained! Why! Well one can only speculate that position / money talks louder than what is best for all where it don't suit certain parties.

I had 8/9 pairs maggies ... two nests got took over by crows, which meant 4 pairs of them. Now have a couple of Sparrow hawks less than a 200 yards away. So I hung a row of CD's u on a string back of house ... only ever see them after a few dull days. Loft often like a colourfull disco when sun hits. No nest now ether Maggies or Crows, and only see a pair of crows once in a while .... hawks moved them on - yeah I know and have seen the crows bomb and chase the hawks... yill hawks serious or viaing for food - pigeons loft of 1000 odd across the road. HoHold a cd in hand - when given chance and sun is out - and reflect the light at the maggies or crows ... they up and away.

Why should they drop ... nowt ever has... especially in past - times / sports etc. Think you live in cchou land Mick. It is no more than a sweetener, and will soon be forgotten. Whay haven't other countries expeirenced a drop when more bought... instead of a stead and regular price increase. Drop my aunt... pants more like to the silvery moon lol.

Yep cut the tabbacco stalks, every time for me.

An air gun. a ferret in a wire cage on the lawn. They can help going fo it. Wll sit on top well long enough.

Sorry ... was other here once fantasti inducements... should have read. 'Was offered here - not long back - fantastic inducements...

Geraint Parry don't believe they will drop ... was other here once fantasti inducements to entice us before.... But if that was the cas, surely with all the other COUNTRIES that they sell to the cost is as low as they want to be... will only go up I asertain within a year I'd wager, when we are able to have them. Seen from the Thatchers questions and privatisation, everything is in real terms a darn site dearer, and this is especially so when the average working hour rate is adhered to. ... Like selling of the Railways real cheap to enable te improvemnets etc. And we the TAX PAYER are bolstering it up now with our money even more... and can one really say they are a sucess now! Golly in even the war years when in black outs, they ket time. Snow rain or wind didn't stop them. Are dare one really suggest that when held by the ball's - as THATCHER said to Scargill - the rest of the body follows. Now rest assured price will go up.

Been Faroes. East route has been flown, and some do still I believe. I personally loved it when through F & M we were force to go that way. Just see all the different names at the top. Didn't we see eek in week out, the name they took it a their right to be there, letter every week in the 'Rags'. I tell you, the letter with still wet from the tears they cried, and some were so called 'Names' lol. Like the Most westernly piont of Ireland has a great leveller of distance, just depends - as usual - which way the wind blew on the day .... they don't like that one either lol. Won't get past of course ... well has been last season, but we never flew it like

It is more what people percieve that it will - wrong or wrongly - firstly take away and deter their enjoyment as they see it. It is a realistic truth that only the better position and better off persons they will be able to afford, and or able to have due to their lofts being in a secure place. and many will have to keeping taking and charging batteris etc. etc. etc. Over the last 6 years I have had many a debates, and all pro ET's, whether Canada, The Usa and here, YES ALL, just spout with their fingers in their ear' about the 20 - 100 odd reasons why it is a good thing. What they all fail - selfishly - to take aboard is the real fears and beliefs of the anti. The odd few they do take aboard are they ones they think they can smarily answer. Don't bother trying to sell to the converted. 98% of all fanciers, here and abroad know the good things and reasons for them being installed. Try for once the 'Pro Mob' and listen to the 'Grass roots' of our sports, the MAIN mobb that fil the coffers of the more afflable and LISTEN instead of spouting and insulting. PERHAS some may even be able to come up with solutions. I have had first hand knowleagde both here and abroad! Are they a good thing... of course, would Ivote for them No, not in the next 10 years. But money means they WILL e here long before that. End of discussiona as far as I am concened because I've trod that road for far too long to waste time trying to put sensible aguments to many with cloth ears.

A friend 20 miles up the road converted two 2 years back. Brilliant job, and very wll thought out. I will try and get a photo for you this week all being well.

Can't see, or believe there is an *expletive removed sign there as I never wrote a swear word or degrading comment etc. Still must be above my thinking somewhere lol.

PeterPau, that is a rather silly and bias, post. And negative if you think it would *expletive removed* a point to be changed. As far as I see, and am aware that is the very silly comment that makes them dig their heels in more. May I suggest that be because 'Ideals' don't suit you, or your way of thinking, that you curb your tongue and not insult others because they think different than you! I agree they are a good thing... but what they precieve to be is what one has to combat, and them senseless remarks, that obviously don't and can't achieve any thing are best left to insult others in your own circles.

Bruno Pierre Dordin use a light aircrft to follow his birds from Training, and there has, andpersumably still are data involving Micro tracking ... Seen camara's on hawks etc. so who knows ...

Well said P.J. ... and they would exonerate and show them in a good light MANY more times than in a bad one I'd wager. Mr. breaman has a cracking article purely on Liberations etc. I once advocated that ALL should read it, and not just the convoyers.

Yes of course Video. photos too, but surely it is as simple, and times better for a Video.

Remember well when two top National clubs bah hoo - ed it out... and not so long ago at that either! Personally I believe it's a great, realistic, besides a very sensible move and wish all power to their elbow. Who knows perhaps the NFC AND MNFC will follow suit. Can't for love or money – and I love both lol - why they have objected before. Shows only to well the minds of so - called leaders / committee, people on our top tables why the sport - largely because of them as such - is in decline with all the negative, and often for selfish reason hold back logical progress. You can't stand still, you either move forward or backwards, and time waits for no man!

Garlic is flately not liked by pigeons, in any way shape or form, so of course their intake is as little as need be. Less Fluid, firmer droppings, lose wieght and tighten up etc. But the added incentives are that it is like Penicillan in reverse, and great protector that is a great help to their immune system.

Duns v's shallie etc you mean I tek kit